Everlast minimum storage temps.

[performance]

No you shouldn't store them in -12 degrees, any more than they should be stored in the rain. But if it warms up before it is used, a one time exposure shouldn't hurt the unit.

[todmorg]

No you shouldn't store them in -12 degrees, any more than they should be stored in the rain. But if it warms up before it is used, a one time exposure shouldn't hurt the unit.

I didn't ask about rain, I'm not looking for a shouldn't. I want to know if the shipping company damaged this unit by leaving it exposed to the weather overnight. If a capacitor freezes at 20 degrees, it will freeze on the first exposure not just the second or third.

Someone else from Everlast please respond with a yes or no answer, I want to be sure this thing is OK before I dig this thing out of the box and end up with another uncomfortable mess. I don't need the shippers problems to become my problems.

[performance]

Todd,
It was a comparative point, not directed at you, but at I love plasma...Storing routinely below 0 like that is no better than leaving it out in the rain routinely. A one time event with either as long as it is properly dried or warm should not cause a major issue.

And since I am from Everlast, and work with this part and you asked for Everlast's Opinion as above, I will address the question.

Warm it up before using it, to over 25 or 30 degrees and it should be fine. The major immediate issue is a frozen display, or sluggish one to respond below 20 degrees. It's likely with the insulation the box provides and the packing that the unit itself did not reach that low of a temperature internally. When things warm up they should be ok.

If you have doubts though yourself, you should do what you think is best with the shipper.

[todmorg]

Todd,
It was a comparative point, not directed at you, but at I love plasma...Storing routinely below 0 like that is no better than leaving it out in the rain routinely. A one time event with either as long as it is properly dried or warm should not cause a major issue.

And since I am from Everlast, and work with this part...

Warm it up before using it, to over 25 or 30 degrees and it should be fine. The major immediate issue is a frozen display, or sluggish one to respond below 20 degrees. It's likely with the insulation the box provides and the packing that the unit itself did not reach that low of a temperature internally.

Cardboard box, insulation, really??? How about answering the question with something other than "should" or "likely"

What part of Alaska is Ray in? How do you keep the welders warm in railcars or boats or semi trailers ( besides the cardboard box theory )?

I will repeat, if this welder was damaged by the cold, I will not even open the box.

[Ray]

I’ll type up something when I have time, if you guys want my opinion.

But briefly, most of the temp guidelines I have ever seen are right up there with the 6 man tent or lifetime knife, but the other way. Nearly an arbitrary “line in the sand” outside of what is normally experienced. Mil specs excluded.

But in the meantime, Ken knows what he talking about.

The biggest issue is condensation, if it’s that cold Todd, I probably don’t have to tell you how dry the air is.
If the shop is warm and moist however, but a fan on it. Otherwise, just be careful if moving it around, until it warms up, the plastic and more so the cables get very brittle and can break.

Unofficially, Todd you have nothing to be concerned about. Just like Ken said make sure it’s warm and dry before powering on.

[todmorg]

I’ll type up something when I have time, if you guys want my opinion.

But briefly, most of the temp guidelines I have ever seen are right up there with the 6 man tent or lifetime knife, but the other way. Nearly an arbitrary “line in the sand” outside of what is normally experienced. Mil specs excluded.

But in the meantime, Ken knows what he talking about.

The biggest issue is condensation, if it’s that cold Todd, I probably don’t have to tell you how dry the air is.
If the shop is warm and moist however, but a fan on it. Otherwise, just be careful if moving it around, until it warms up, the plastic and more so the cables get very brittle and can break.

Unofficially, Todd you have nothing to be concerned about. Just like Ken said make sure it’s warm and dry before powering on.

Ray, Ken,

Thanks guys, sound like good information and good advice. I'll drag it in and let it defrost overnight.

[todmorg]

there's a song in there somewhere..

'Toddmorg and his frosty welder
thinkin about the past...
and the last time that he held'er
he knew it would neverlast...

she'd been given that old cold shoulder,
left outside like she had smelled,
how many times must he have told her
don't be be hangin 'round ol'lugweld..

you guys can take it from there.

That's BEAUTIFUL! Brougt a little tear to my eye.

[todmorg]

Todd,
It was a comparative point, not directed at you, but at I love plasma...Storing routinely below 0 like that is no better than leaving it out in the rain routinely. A one time event with either as long as it is properly dried or warm should not cause a major issue.

And since I am from Everlast, and work with this part and you asked for Everlast's Opinion as above, I will address the question.

Warm it up before using it, to over 25 or 30 degrees and it should be fine. The major immediate issue is a frozen display, or sluggish one to respond below 20 degrees. It's likely with the insulation the box provides and the packing that the unit itself did not reach that low of a temperature internally. When things warm up they should be ok.

If you have doubts though yourself, you should do what you think is best with the shipper.

I just caught your edit. Everlast is the shipper, I am TRYING to give you a heads up on a possible problem.

[performance]

The shipping company then, according to our terms and policy is the one responsible for the damage. I am sure Ray will drop by to give his thoughts.
http://www.everlastgenerators.com/terms.html