FInally got to do some real work with my PT185

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12-07-2013, 06:23 PM
sportbike

FInally got to do some real work with my PT185

Well, I finally got to use my PT185 over the Thanksgiving weekend. I traveled to my in-laws and parents area and knew I'd be bored on Friday while everyone went shopping so I brought my PT185 and my next motorcycle frame along for the ride.

Essentially I did all of the modifications as shown here in an older post:
http://www.everlastgenerators.com/fo...ighlight=frame

I did it all on 110V with the little AC tig that could.

I must say I am very impressed with this unit, especially on 110V.

I also noticed that the panel knob does in fact control max output amps with using a pedal.

Great little welder, works great on low voltage as well. I purchased this to use in my race trailer at the track and fortunately I have not had to use it for that purpose yet. I am sure it will be a nice tool for teh 2014 race season.

John
12-07-2013, 06:34 PM
Rambozo

Aluminum frame work on 110V, that is impressive. What is the max amps that it will put out on 110V? Nice to see the panel setting for max amps instead of the pot on the pedal. That should remove some peoples nitpicking on that machine.
12-07-2013, 06:55 PM
DaveO

Did the in-laws have argon, or did you have to byo?

Glad (but not surprised) to hear it's also capable at 110v.
12-07-2013, 07:26 PM
sportbike

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Originally Posted by Rambozo

Aluminum frame work on 110V, that is impressive. What is the max amps that it will put out on 110V? Nice to see the panel setting for max amps instead of the pot on the pedal. That should remove some peoples nitpicking on that machine.

That machine used to not have max control available when using a foot pedal. Used to just be max of the machine was max of the pedal. That in itself really isn't much of an issue though.

Mine will go to 120A in AC per the readout on the machine when using 110v (or 120V or whatever it was).

That is pretty much where I was for all of teh welding I did with it. Never got warm at all and never tried to pop the 20A breaker.
12-08-2013, 11:14 AM
everlastsupport

Nice. I have one on order, so nice to know. I thought the max was 95 amps, but that might be on 15 amps. Will have to see.

Dave should have posted BYOB :D
12-08-2013, 11:30 AM
performance

stick amps should be around 95 amps.
12-08-2013, 12:48 PM
sportbike

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Originally Posted by everlastsupport

Nice. I have one on order, so nice to know. I thought the max was 95 amps, but that might be on 15 amps. Will have to see.

Dave should have posted BYOB :D

It seems to take a second to "sense" the voltage and then it seems to adjust accordingly. I assume it is a digital adjustment, either 185A for 220-240V or ~120A for 110-120V
12-08-2013, 12:51 PM
sportbike

Only thing i wasn't impressed with is the gas pressure burst that is still there when starting an arc. I assume it is because of a "not stiff enough" supply hose that turns into a balloon when the solenoid shuts off, causing full pressure at the back side of the valve.
12-08-2013, 02:44 PM
Kempy

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Originally Posted by sportbike

Only thing i wasn't impressed with is the gas pressure burst that is still there when starting an arc. I assume it is because of a "not stiff enough" supply hose that turns into a balloon when the solenoid shuts off, causing full pressure at the back side of the valve.

It is the regulators preset pressure for the flow rate but when you shut it off the set pressure will reach it max pressure on the line to the welders shut off valve and yes it will balloon a little but even an none expanding tube it will do the same thing just a little less. If you do not have the pressure up you will not get the flow rate to the torch head. The pressure is set high because they take in consideration that you might have a 25 foot air or water cooled torch. Some regulators have both pressure and flow rate adjustability.
12-08-2013, 05:35 PM
sportbike

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Originally Posted by Kempy

It is the regulators preset pressure for the flow rate but when you shut it off the set pressure will reach it max pressure on the line to the welders shut off valve and yes it will balloon a little but even an none expanding tube it will do the same thing just a little less. If you do not have the pressure up you will not get the flow rate to the torch head. The pressure is set high because they take in consideration that you might have a 25 foot air or water cooled torch. Some regulators have both pressure and flow rate adjustability.

That is correct. I am not sure how other manufacturers do it, but they don;t blow the big burst of argon out every start. I'll have to take a look at work and maybe borrow a higher end regulator to see if it makes a difference.
12-08-2013, 07:35 PM
everlastsupport

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Originally Posted by sportbike

That is correct. I am not sure how other manufacturers do it, but they don;t blow the big burst of argon out every start. I'll have to take a look at work and maybe borrow a higher end regulator to see if it makes a difference.

Regulator and hose.
12-08-2013, 08:40 PM
youngnstudly

I've found the exact same thing with the 160STH I have. The problem no longer gives me starting issues after I took the advice of others on this forum and began "tapping" the pedal and using the post flow as pre flow, but I agree that this has never been an issue with any other (name brand) regulator I've used with other tig welders. Of course for the reasonable cost of the Everlast units, most can afford to upgrade to a better regulator down the road.

I was surprised to hear that your 185 allows for amp control through the panel knob when using the foot pedal! Very cool! I had to make a stop for my pedal so that I could quickly and easily tack sheet metal without filler, but it sounds like the new machines will let you make a simple adjustment of the knob instead. As much as I've thought about the PT185, I think I'm more set on getting the 200DX for the extra 15 amps and pulse settings.
12-08-2013, 09:50 PM
Rambozo

This is for MIG, but the principles and calculations are the same.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgEy8HVOIVc

Lowering the regulator pressure can help, but you don't want to go too low. There are a lot of things you can do to improve things. Using small diameter feed hose with a metering orifice can really make a big difference. It is a lot more noticeable with short 12' torches than with 25'. I've had a pretty big starting blast with other brands, (Miller, Hobart), too, with the stock setups.
12-08-2013, 10:20 PM
sportbike

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Originally Posted by youngnstudly

I've found the exact same thing with the 160STH I have. The problem no longer gives me starting issues after I took the advice of others on this forum and began "tapping" the pedal and using the post flow as pre flow, but I agree that this has never been an issue with any other (name brand) regulator I've used with other tig welders. Of course for the reasonable cost of the Everlast units, most can afford to upgrade to a better regulator down the road.

I was surprised to hear that your 185 allows for amp control through the panel knob when using the foot pedal! Very cool! I had to make a stop for my pedal so that I could quickly and easily tack sheet metal without filler, but it sounds like the new machines will let you make a simple adjustment of the knob instead. As much as I've thought about the PT185, I think I'm more set on getting the 200DX for the extra 15 amps and pulse settings.

I have a 200DX as well (2011 version with pedal mounted max amp adjustment). I like it. I bought the 185 for portability, specifically for use at the race track. It is about 60% of the size of the 200 dx and is pretty easy to transport. I have a dual voltage version (obviously) , but the 200DX is also available in dual voltage now (I believe called the 200DV). If the performance is similar to the 185, I would recommend getting the DV option.
12-09-2013, 01:27 AM
youngnstudly

I believe the PT185 and my PA160 use the same case so the overall dimensions are identical. The 200DX/DV units are way bigger (as you mentioned) but I'm still considering one of those over the 185. The cost is so minimal between the 2 if you factor in the cost of the foot pedal and such. The DV option isn't something I am willing to do without at this point. It's so nice to be able to transport the welder and plug into 110V for repair work and such.
12-09-2013, 01:36 AM
Rambozo

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Originally Posted by youngnstudly

I believe the PT185 and my PA160 use the same case so the overall dimensions are identical.

The dimensions sticky can use some updates, but it looks like the 185 is just a little bigger, going from the specs in the manual. The 185 is listed as 12.5” H X 7.25” W X 19” L vs the 160 12"H x 12"D x 6.5"W. Maybe sportbike can confirm that the new model he has is the same size, and Mike/Mark can update the dimensions?
12-09-2013, 12:15 PM
everlastsupport

Just let us know. I thought it was the PA160 size case too.
12-09-2013, 09:05 PM
Titan winch

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Attachment 11385

The Current 185 uses the new 47 k foot pedal that is shown in the picture . The amps are set from the panel and stick is 115 amps max and tig is 125 max output on 110v . All new models should have the latest version pedal . The dimensions listed by Rambozo are correct
12-09-2013, 11:28 PM
sportbike

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Originally Posted by Titan winch

Attachment 11385

The Current 185 uses the new 47 k foot pedal that is shown in the picture . The amps are set from the panel and stick is 115 amps max and tig is 125 max output on 110v . All new models should have the latest version pedal . The dimensions listed by Rambozo are correct

I think mine is a 22k pedal. It was purchased earlier this year. The pedal is not the one pictured (I assume that is an SSC pedal?).
12-10-2013, 01:01 AM
Titan winch

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Originally Posted by sportbike

I think mine is a 22k pedal. It was purchased earlier this year. The pedal is not the one pictured (I assume that is an SSC pedal?).

The pedal is the new design . The 185 is one of the models that now has this pedal and it will be included if purchased direct . I am not sure about any Amazon models .
12-10-2013, 01:47 AM
performance

Quote:

Originally Posted by sportbike

I think mine is a 22k pedal. It was purchased earlier this year. The pedal is not the one pictured (I assume that is an SSC pedal?).

For the record, it is not an SSC pedal. It's an Everlast built pedal...similar to the one found on the 210ext and the same one found on the new ext units. It's completely redesigned, but you can see some basic things in common with the ssc with the rack type design, though there are significant differences in other areas.
12-10-2013, 11:32 AM
everlastsupport

I really like the 210EXT pedal design. I have not tried the SSC, but the new lower pedal works well.
12-10-2013, 12:11 PM
Titan winch

If Kempy reads this he may chime in here as he has actually been using this pedal for a while now, I gave out some of these pedals here in Canada when I had them sent before the actual production orders started. Now theses pedals are the normal pedals supplied with practically every welder we have. There will be some changes in the new year for the pot values to be brought into a standardized value but other than that it will remain as they are now.
12-10-2013, 02:08 PM
Kempy

Quote:

Originally Posted by Titan winch

If Kempy reads this he may chime in here as he has actually been using this pedal for a while now, I gave out some of these pedals here in Canada when I had them sent before the actual production orders started. Now theses pedals are the normal pedals supplied with practically every welder we have. There will be some changes in the new year for the pot values to be brought into a standardized value but other than that it will remain as they are now.

Yes, and it was nice to test out the pedal for Everlast Canada it work very well, it had one little glitch but that was fix in the final production run.