CK and WP-20 question

[Adambomb]

Is the CK torch any different/better/worse than the WP20 that Everlast offers?

[sschefer]

Is the CK torch any different/better/worse than the WP20 that Everlast offers?

I don't see a Everlast 20 torch on the site. I see the 18 and 26's only. The Everlast torches shown on the website are Euro Style and appear to have the on/off switch built into the handle.

The CK torch 200 is a slim torch and requires a aftermarket switch if you want to utilize the 2T/4T functionality of the welder. Like I said before, I won't compare the CK to the Everlasts since they are totally different designs.

[Rugar]

Is the CK torch any different/better/worse than the WP20 that Everlast offers?

I had the Everlast WP20 torch, and sent it back.
http://www.everlastgenerators.com/fo...New-WP20-Torch
Really cant compare the two as far as welding goes because the one I received had a internal gas flow problem and welded like crap even after I finally got the gas hookup leak problem fixed.
The torch size is the same, they both have flex necks (I ordered a CK flex neck), and they both use the same collets, collet holders, and cups. The Everlast WP20 will not use a full lengh tungsten even with the long back cap. Needs to be cut down 1" to fit if new. The Everlast WP20 torch leads are a little more flexible then the stock torch that came with the machine, but not even close to being in the same league as the CK torch. If the WP torch would have worked correctly (I just got a bad one), I probably would have been happy with it for its small size and price.
That being said, the CK torch setup does cost 3 times the price fully set up. $100 compared to $300.
With the CK you have to buy the torch, the dinse connector, fittings and adapters to make it work, and the torch lead cover. All of that comes with the WP20 torch except for the water connectors for $100. I bought a 25' torch with the super flex cables which also brought the price up some. Was well worth the extra money as far as I'm concerned.

Shows how flexible the CK torch leads are.

[woodchuck]

Gerald I had a similar experience with the Everlast WP20 torch. I never could get gas shielding on the welds or tungsten no matter what I had the argon set at. I also found the the cables very stiff and had some of the insulation melt of the negative cable.

Did you get your Ck torch at Arczone? Would you be able to share part #'s for the parts to hook it up to the 250ex?

I really like the 250EX...just not crazy about the foot pedal or torches that come with it.

Chuck

Edit... Sorry I did see you bought your torch from Arczone.

[froader]

Thanks for the info. Sounds like a great setup.

Interesting to find out that I am NOT the only one having problems with the Everlast WP20 torch. Mark(Everlast) told me multiple times that he heard nothing but positive feedback, when I let him know the issues I was having and my suggestions to fix them. He never heard of any of these problems, EDIT and told me that I have an isolated situation.

I am on the 2nd Everlast WP20 torch and both have gas/contamination problems What I found out was using a gas lens fixed the gas/contamination issues. I compared a standard 1/8" collet body to the included Everlast collet body and noticed the gas orifices on the Everlast were farther away from the torch, thus being exposed and flowing gas. Unfortunately the industry standard collet body gas orifices will be blocked by the cup. The problem I can see is the torch was designed so that the collet body is recesed too far into the torch.

I also find that a full length of tungsten will not fit into the long cap.
The other problem I suggested a solution to is that the gas fitting is wrong, and a water fitting was used instead, thus a gas leak.
Lastly one of the water and the gas hose ID it way too small to properly accept the quick disconnect fittings. I also think those hoses are too thin, IMO, and are succeptable to damage.
I was able to get the fittings in, using a heat gun and LOTS of patients. I simply used some ss tie wire to secure them.

Now that I got the torch all setup and working correctly with a gas lens, it really works well.

It would just be nice to receive a product that works out of the box. I hope they will make some revisions based on the suggestions in this thread. The end result will be a great product!

[Rugar]

Thanks for the info. Sounds like a great setup.

Interesting to find out that I am NOT the only one having problems with the Everlast WP20 torch. Mark(Everlast) told me multiple times that he heard nothing but positive feedback, when I let him know the issues I was having and my suggestions to fix them. He never heard of any of these problems and I continue to be isolated...

I am on the 2nd Everlast WP20 torch and both have gas/contamination problems What I found out was using a gas lens fixed the gas/contamination issues. I compared a standard 1/8" collet body to the included Everlast collet body and noticed the gas orifices on the Everlast were farther away from the torch, thus being exposed and flowing gas. Unfortunately the industry standard collet body gas orifices will be blocked by the cup. The problem I can see is the torch was designed so that the collet body is recesed too far into the torch.

I also find that a full length of tungsten will not fit into the long cap.
The other problem I suggested a solution to is that the gas fitting is wrong, and a water fitting was used instead, thus a gas leak.
Lastly one of the water and the gas hose ID it way too small to properly accept the quick disconnect fittings. I also think those hoses are too thin, IMO, and are succeptable to damage.
I was able to get the fittings in, using a heat gun and LOTS of patients. I simply used some ss tie wire to secure them.

Now that I got the torch all setup and working correctly with a gas lens, it really works well.

It would just be nice to receive a product that works out of the box. I hope they will make some revisions based on the suggestions in this thread. The end result will be a great product!

I think you have it back wards (at least on my 250EX), the machine has a water style quick connect fitting for the gas. The WP20 torch I got had a gas style fitting. I waited three weeks for the correct fitting to be sent to me but never received it. I put on the correct one from my stock torch after I got tired of waiting.
I had to use a lighter to heat the gas line to make it REALLY soft to get a barbed water fitting in it to work. I agree, the hose is WAY to small.
I used a weldcraft collet body in mine and was hardly getting any gas flow from the nozzle, so that was probably the problem. (which I was told would work)
I was also told after asking before I bought it if it would accept full length 7" electrodes and was told it would. It will not. And it also comes with a 12' lead instead of a 15' that I was told it had.
I sent mine back last week with a request to credit my CC back after getting a RMA # from Kayla. They received it back on Monday. Still waiting for a credit refund.

[froader]

I think you have it back wards (at least on my 250EX), the machine has a water style quick connect fitting for the gas. The WP20 torch I got had a gas style fitting. I waited three weeks for the correct fitting to be sent to me but never received it. I put on the correct one from my stock torch after I got tired of waiting.
I had to use a lighter to heat the gas line to make it REALLY soft to get a barbed water fitting in it to work. I agree, the hose is WAY to small.
I used a weldcraft collet body in mine and was hardly getting any gas flow from the nozzle, so that was probably the problem. (which I was told would work)
I was also told after asking before I bought it if it would accept full length 7" electrodes and was told it would. It will not. And it also comes with a 12' lead instead of a 15' that I was told it had.
I sent mine back last week with a request to credit my CC back after getting a RMA # from Kayla. They received it back on Monday. Still waiting for a credit refund.

It sounds like we have the same isues with the torch.
I have a 225LX and the fitting that came on the gas line is not the same fitting that came with the original torch. It actually works for a water fitting for their cooler, but still doesn't look exactly like the fittings that came with my cooler. I cut the gas fitting from the original torch, heated the hose up and kept working with it untill I got it into the hose.
The torch will not accept any standard collet body and shield the weld. I don't really understand how these measurements can stray from the industry standard 20 series torch and torch consumables, but the included 2.4(1/8in) collet body works for me as well as a gas lens. I just have to make sure not to loose that 2.4 collet body...

I am still waiting for a cart, which have been back ordered for a LONG time, so yes, having longer leads would be a big help.

Overall, once I got the torch working properly, it works really nice and smooth.

[Rugar]

Gerald I had a similar experience with the Everlast WP20 torch. I never could get gas shielding on the welds or tungsten no matter what I had the argon set at. I also found the the cables very stiff and had some of the insulation melt of the negative cable.

Did you get your Ck torch at Arczone? Would you be able to share part #'s for the parts to hook it up to the 250ex?

I really like the 250EX...just not crazy about the foot pedal or torches that come with it.

Chuck

Edit... Sorry I did see you bought your torch from Arczone.

Its all up and running now, but I had them make me one extra water extension hose that is not needed. The fitting to eliminate it will be here tomorrow. Tomorrow night I will do a new posting complete with photos and part #s of everything needed to make this work. Really is a simple conversion once you figure out what fittings are needed. Would have been even cheaper and easier if the Everlast machines used a gas connector style quick connect on the gas outlet instead of the water style.

[woodchuck]

Its all up and running now, but I had them make me one extra water extension hose that is not needed. The fitting to eliminate it will be here tomorrow. Tomorrow night I will do a new posting complete with photos and part #s of everything needed to make this work. Really is a simple conversion once you figure out what fittings are needed. Would have been even cheaper and easier if the Everlast machines used a gas connector style quick connect on the gas outlet instead of the water style.

Sounds good...thanks.


Chuck