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    There's another thread which Rambozo started for Dimensions, and I would like to see a common thread for connectors.

    It is very difficult to determine which connectors are on which Everlast machines. I'm sure others have run into this problem, but there doesn't seem to be any knowledge base yet.

    Can Everlast help with any of this information?

    If not we can try to gather it on our own. Speaking for myself I want to know what type all the cable, gas, electrical, etc...

    Without knowing this information it makes it difficult to put together or buy the proper cables in the after market world.

    Alan

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    There's only two. 25 and 35 series. 25 are 3/8" roughly and 35 are 1/2" roughly in diameter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by performance View Post
    There's only two. 25 and 35 series. 25 are 3/8" roughly and 35 are 1/2" roughly in diameter.
    What about connectors/threads on the regulator? Hoses? Which hoses have what connectors? Argon connectors?

    Yep, as far as Dinse you have 3/8" and 1/2", that's correct...but there's some ntp and/or UNC threads mixed in some of this stuff also.

    Would like to know gauges of cables, hoses, etc...

    Maybe I'm being too demanding, but just offering some feedback. All of this is possible in the world of online communications.

    Even a wiki that community users could update with after market parts that will fit Everlast welders.

    Alan

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    Mark,

    Just to elaborate on this a tad more. Let's say I wanted to make a torch cable to replace the one on the torch that is shipped. For whatever reason, I want to make a longer one, or I want to have a different type of hose and/or cable...there's a number of connectors including the Dinse connector which has a gas hose going into it.

    In my case I want to replace the hose on my argon regulator, to replace with a threaded end rather than a pipe clamp that doesn't even appear it can be tightened once installed.

    I hope this makes sense.

    Another example is the pedal and/or switch. The info is in the manual for the Panasonic 7-pin, but gathering all that info with the connector info would be useful. As it is there is nothing that has all the dimensions/details of all the connectors for any given machine that I have seen. How to wire the control switch used in lieu of a pedal...stuff like that.

    These machines stay the same for a long time, once done everyone can benefit.

    Alan

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    Quote Originally Posted by aland View Post
    These machines stay the same for a long time, once done everyone can benefit.
    The parts that Everlast specs do stay the same, and are pretty well documented. But many parts are selected by the factory and often change lot to lot and have little to no documentation. You could try to keep a list, but then people would count on it and when it's wrong they would complain.

    For example Everlast specs a regulator/flowmeter that is CGA 580 in and 6 or 8mm hose barb out. Those specs always stay the same, but there have been quite a few different versions of this one item with different threaded fittings connecting all the different parts together. Each supplier is free to use whatever and often will change over the life of the product.

    Older machines used to be spec'd with a hose barb inlet. Now they have changed to a threaded fitting that is standard across the line, so that is nice.

    Some things are designed to be user swapped and follow a standard. Things like DINSE plugs and such. Other parts are supplied complete, but not subject to standards as long as they work. Like if you want to change the DINSE connector on the front panel. Sure it's DINSE on the outside, but where the wire attaches it could be another connector, a threaded stud, a tapped hole, what size, what thread? It doesn't matter unless you are doing that repair/upgrade, then it is up to you to make that decision.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rambozo View Post
    For example Everlast specs a regulator/flowmeter that is CGA 580 in and 6 or 8mm hose barb out.
    Where do I find that in the manual or online info? That's my problem, that even if it is there I don't know where it is.

    This was obviously stemmed from our conversation in regard ot replacing the argon line, I'm sure you have figured that much out...

    But the point is for all connectors.

    As an example, in my manual from online it says on the 2nd to the last page it shows the 7-pin connector, but it doesn't say it's a Panasonic 7-pin. On their site somewhere you can buy the Panasonic 7-pin.

    I believe I have a CGA-580, as you point out, but how do I know?

    Don't worry, I won't keep beating this bloody horse! I'm done ranting...LOL

    Truth is I only need the connectors for my machine. Unfortunately everyone will need to figure out some of this stuff if they want to replace any of the hoses or lines.

    Alan (going off to STFU)

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    Quote Originally Posted by performance View Post
    There's only two. 25 and 35 series. 25 are 3/8" roughly and 35 are 1/2" roughly in diameter.
    Mark,

    They say timing is everything...

    You'll have to excuse my depression as I purchased a Nova pedal which shipped from Everlast and it has the wrong CONNECTOR on it.

    Certainly my mistake for ordering a pedal that didn't list the model welder I own, but I figured a 22k ohm pedal with a 7-pin for an Everlast machines would be the right one.

    I received a pedal with a male 7-pin plug on it, and my machine has a male 7-pin plug on it, so both ends are the same sex.

    Seems I need a Female 7-pin plug on the cable of the pedal.

    The pins are larger on my 7-pin, but in the same physical layout. Small pins on the 7-pin male that came, but larger pins on the 7-pin male attached to the front of my i-Tig 201 welder.

    When I opened the box I was hit with a Chinesium odor that damn near knocked me off my chair, good thing I was sitting down...welder wasn't like that, but pedal smells like it came out of the back section of HF, if you know that Chinesium plastic/rubber or old recycled coke can odor...

    Even in my case how would I know that pedal was going to ship with a male adapter when I needed a female? Doesn't list it on Amazon, nor does it on your website.

    I also looked at the unit, thinking maybe a bezel could be taken off the welder, there are a few screws around the chrome plastic bezel, but I thought to ask here first as not to upset you.

    What type of connector is common in the industry? What type of connector do the digital machines use? (i.e., i-Tig 200T)

    Awaiting your advice on how to proceed...

    Alan

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    Mark,

    From the page I bought the unit from, it says it comes with a 7-pin female.

    https://www.amazon.com/Welding-Everl...YD/ref=sr_ph_1

    I guess they shipped me the wrong pedal ?

    I bet a list on connectors on the machines may help those people in the shipping department...

    Alan

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    I sent an email to Oleg and think we'll have it worked out. I did a refund on Amazon and it let me print out a UPS label.

    I have it packed up and labeled and will wait to hear on what Oleg suggests to resolve it.

    As I told him, it clearly states that it's a 7-pin female plug on the pedal. I don't think it's a fault of mine.

    BTW, it doesn't list if it's a female/male on the Everlast site.

    Alan

    PS as a side, you can sure tell the website is running in a VM. I've used Amazon in the past to host websites and they were often slow to respond until the cache filled. You guys might look at tuning the VM/apache some. You can probably get better response out of it by configuring the VM better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aland View Post
    What type of connector is common in the industry?
    All over the place!

    I've never had two machines with the same pedal plug, even though the same brand. This is getting better, but still far from a standard. Miller seems to have settled down to a single 14 pin plug, but in the 3 Miller machines I've had, all were different. It seems they did think ahead a little too, as when they came out with a wireless pedal they had all the power and signal pins ready to go on that plug. Lincoln isn't much better. AFAIK Everlast has had two plugs, and 3 pot values. Mark would know the variations. The real old machines might have been something else.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rambozo View Post
    All over the place!

    I've never had two machines with the same pedal plug, even though the same brand. This is getting better, but still far from a standard. Miller seems to have settled down to a single 14 pin plug, but in the 3 Miller machines I've had, all were different. It seems they did think ahead a little too, as when they came out with a wireless pedal they had all the power and signal pins ready to go on that plug. Lincoln isn't much better. AFAIK Everlast has had two plugs, and 3 pot values. Mark would know the variations. The real old machines might have been something else.
    I see, just like everything else in life I 'spose...LOL

    I got an email back from Everlast and will call them tomorrow and get the right unit shipped out. I had to return the Amazon purchase, but that was pretty easy.

    All will be well in the end.

    I see the prices on all the welders are back to regular prices now. I guess holiday sale is over...AC/DC Tig machines are now way back up there also!

    Maybe in my future, not sure. My little i-Tig 201 will let me learn how to weld. I have a few ambitious projects, as time permits.

    The first step is getting the correct pedal...and I will tell you this, but please don't laugh at me. I was going to open the pedal as I want to see the Japanese potentiometer. This pedal really has the Chinesium smell to it, not sure why, must be the 25' cable, I'm guessing the rubber on the outside. I was telling myself, "Self, Rambozo would be asking why not just use it before tearing into it..." but I want to see what's on the inside after I get the pedal I'm going to keep. Looks like only a couple hex nuts that hold the top of the pedal on...

    For that matter, I'm going to open the welder also. I want to see the inside and I want to see where the points get adjusted. On the 201 you can set the gap on the points, I don't know if that is an advantage or a disadvantage, but it can be set. I guess the box needs a tune up to check the points every so often...the digital wouldn't need that, so there could be some advantage to the digital i-Tig 200T over the i-Tig 201. Hopefully I don't end up with a red headed step-child...

    Alan

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    "Don't turn it on, take it apart" - Dave Jones EEVBLOG
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rambozo View Post
    "Don't turn it on, take it apart" - Dave Jones EEVBLOG
    My kinda guy...I have to take everything apart. Sometimes I get it back together...hehehe

    I will open welder, cause you need to if you want to set the points...damn, I feel like I'm working on my first car...it had points.

    Same reason I need to replace that argon hose, or why I have a Victor gauge on my propane forge, or why I may replace the flow gauge with another at some point...or why I will replace the torch with a CK, the ground clamp with a teaco, or even the flex head replacement on the torch with stubby kit...I can't tell you why...I can only confirm.

    Honestly, I can't even tell you why I'm replying at 3:30am...if anyone finds out, let my wife know cause she's wondering why also...

    Alan

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    Yeah,

    There's apparently different gender connectors for some "MTS" pedals versus more typical Everlast TIG pedals.

    https://www.amazon.com/Welding-Everl...words=Nova+TIG

    "For units with a 22k to 25k (25,000-ohm) potentiometer. Not for MTS welders and EVERLAST PA160STH (2013-2017)"

    https://www.amazon.com/Welding-Everl...words=Nova+TIG

    "For units with a 22k to 25k (25,000-ohm) potentiometer. MTS welders only and EVERLAST PA160STH (2013-2017)"
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    Quote Originally Posted by christian View Post
    Yeah,

    There's apparently different gender connectors for some "MTS" pedals versus more typical Everlast TIG pedals.

    https://www.amazon.com/Welding-Everl...words=Nova+TIG

    "For units with a 22k to 25k (25,000-ohm) potentiometer. Not for MTS welders and EVERLAST PA160STH (2013-2017)"

    https://www.amazon.com/Welding-Everl...words=Nova+TIG

    "For units with a 22k to 25k (25,000-ohm) potentiometer. MTS welders only and EVERLAST PA160STH (2013-2017)"
    Yes, apparently there are different ones but both of those ads say 7-pin female. And both of what you quoted says 2013-2017. My machine was first produced in 2015 and I bought it in 2017.

    How could I actually get a 7-pin male I wonder ? Both of those ads say they come with a 7-pin female. That seems bulletproof...but I got a 7-pin male.

    I can't make this stuff up...seriously...

    EDIT: BTW, my Power i-Tig is not an MTS welder either.

    Alan
    Last edited by aland; 01-05-2018 at 03:20 PM.

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    Yeah,

    The two listings do mistakenly state in the text that they're female connectors.

    But the two listings do have photos of different gender plugs, and also make a distinction between "MTS" and non-MTS pedals.

    So, it's just unfortunate that you apparently ordered from a link that was for an "MTS" pedal or that Everlast mistakenly sent an "MTS" pedal even though you may have used the typical TIG pedal link.

    Everlast and Amazon will square it away for you.

    Quote Originally Posted by aland View Post
    Yes, apparently there are different ones but both of those ads say 7-pin female. And both of what you quoted says 2013-2017. My machine was first produced in 2015 and I bought it in 2017.

    How could I actually get a 7-pin male I wonder ? Both of those ads say they come with a 7-pin female. That seems bulletproof...but I got a 7-pin male.

    I can't make this stuff up...seriously...

    EDIT: BTW, my Power i-Tig is not an MTS welder either.

    Alan
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    Quote Originally Posted by christian View Post
    But the two listings do have photos of different gender plugs, and also make a distinction between "MTS" and non-MTS pedals.
    Holy Crapola Batman...I honestly didn't see that other picture of the plug, you have to click on it as the initial image is the pedal.

    Even I'm in high tech and failed...WTF ???

    Quote Originally Posted by christian View Post
    So, it's just unfortunate that you apparently ordered from a link that was for an "MTS" pedal or that Everlast mistakenly sent an "MTS" pedal even though you may have used the typical TIG pedal link.

    Everlast and Amazon will square it away for you.
    I just got off the phone with them and they are going to square it up, that I'm not worried about. I could go up there, I might do that...I'll see what they say...

    It is convenient being close to the office, that I will say!

    EDIT: Yep, they just called back, I canceled my return on Amazon and doing sneaker net, err...tire net, to exchange it at the office.

    Alan
    Last edited by aland; 01-05-2018 at 05:33 PM.

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    Now you have me wondering Alan as to what I'm going to pull out of the box when I get my 255 because I had the pedal upgraded to a Nova pedal.

    Mark

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    Gee,

    That's too bad.

    But, whoever it was, hopefully will reconsider their interaction with you and offer you an apology at some point or in some manner.

    Otherwise, no need to leave the forum here, as Mark, from Everlast, is the main one who interacts here and is very reasonable and helpful.


    Quote Originally Posted by aland View Post
    ...

    What a complete disappointment. *sigh*

    Alan (on the verge of Happy Trails...)

    Alan
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    Ok, it's all straightened out, the owner called and spoke to me just now for quite a while.

    I'll send a PM to Mark and see if he can clean this thread up.

    Alan

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