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    Default Sneak peak at 2016 models.

    We are slowly integrating some new improved models into the pipeline for mid year and into the late fall. I know that a lot of people are going to want to know when, where, how, etc. But that's not the exact point of this thread. Know how car magazines try to get glimpses of long rumored products...pictures of the mules or ready for production pre-release fun drives? That's this thread. So...we'll give out the information details more when we have things fully in stock. We will have a few of these models being released and integrated as we go. Already we have a couple.

    But let's talk about what is going on a bit behind the scenes here... A good bit of our line as you know is digital. And it's proven to be reliable and serviceable with the modular component design where items or commonalized (is that a word?) to improve long term repair and service.

    A few of our products that you know are digital:
    PowerTIG 210EXT
    PowerTIG 255EXT
    PowerTIG 325EXT
    Power iTIG 200T
    PowerARC 280STH

    A few of our products that you may not know are already digital:
    PowerMTS 250S
    PowerMTS 200
    Power iMIG 200
    Power iMIG 205

    And we have a few more that will be digitalized(or is it digitized the more accepted term?) this year and released as the 2016 models...some already here in limited quantities for select customers.

    A few of you are wondering about what we define as DIGITAL. That's a good question and definitely a valid one.

    A lot of people see electronics and digital displays and think the unit is digital.
    No, it's not necessarily so.

    Some people see knobs and automatically think it's analog.
    No, it's not so.

    I am probably not qualified enough to point out the fine points in digital versus analog. I'll leave that to those that are. However, I constantly hear, "I'd rather have analog, they are simpler and I can work on it or its less trouble." Admittedly I thought the same thing when we first started considering digital production of some TIGs. But in reality, the digital versions have been far less complicated, weigh less, and have fewer parts and discreet circuits. In some cases, a single board design which makes repair and service quite easy, especially for customers a long way from our service facility who might be able to repair themselves. The biggest advantage is that it makes upgrading programming or refitting welders a possibility (as you will see in the video clip below) without having to completely rewire and retrofit components and part so that the newest versions will gee haw ( get along) with the older parts.

    As we seek to define digital production for us and our goals for 2016 and onward, we are simply designating the unit as digital if the major processes of the unit are digitally controlled with a microcontroller (processor). The units may still feature control knobs which are either analog pots or digital encoders. For our new small MIG line (the 200 and 205), they are digitally controlled with analog potentiometers. But the MTS units have knobs that are digital encoders. Anyway google digital encoder if you don't know what it is. Both have been reliable and have improved our products greatly, not only in reliability, but also in the quality feel they have and the features we can offer.

    As we promised our customers when we brought out the new digital line, the old line units weren't going anywhere, but if anything they'd be improved. And that's what we've done as we've begun to digitalize them. Yep. The new 250EX will be running a microcontroller and as you will see in the video I've put together with a couple short sneak peak clips from Duncan, it's the same 250EX, but it's not... it's better, simpler and well a whole lot neater inside. Still have the basic look and feel of the 250EX, but with a couple of minor differences. One we've done away with the rocker switches and replaced them with touch pads. This isn't wholly bad as now you can actually see from a distance what setting you've selected as it will be lit up.


    This is a sneak peak at the NEW 250EX.

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    Very interesting. I know there are a lot of people that prefer the rows of knobs vs. having to step through menus. Looks like this is the best of both worlds. Thanks for the peek.
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    Sweet! I prefer the knobs over the menus, which is why I never stepped up to the 255.
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    I prefer the knobs my self. I like that I can know at a glance what the settings are. I am sure digital simplifies things for Everlast. I do not know if I am completely sold on digital though. I guess if it alows Everlast to diagnose it over the phone and send out a board it would be worth going to it. The concern I have with digital is that problems are more apt to come and go. I am concerned about this throw away society we live in. The younger people think that if they get 3-4 years out of an electronic tool that that is aceptabe. I grew up with the perseption that if you buy a good product you will have it for the rest of your life. I have a few welders that are almost as old as I am and they still work fine. That said, those old welders do not have many of the new features and are heavy and large so wether I like it or not digital is here to stay. One concern I do have is that with models changing drastically from year to year is availability of parts and the knowledge to repair a machine that is only made for a year or two. So for that reason I would want the latest version of the welder. I will be ordering one soon myself so I do appreciate the sneak peak.
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    Gary,

    The digital reduces the amount of circuitry. That is a good thing on any level. The digital will either work or it won't and we don't see too many issues with it. The issue with analog to an extent is that is the exact issue that we have at times that you've assigned to digital. As far as changing regularly, the 250EX has remained relatively unchanged for the last couple years. And definitely the 200DV has as well. But I doubt we'll see much more change now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by performance View Post
    But I doubt we'll see much more change now.
    People have been saying that for a long time. The only constant is change.

    There is room for both old and new, expensive lifetime products as well as cheaper limited life things. Each has it's place. Everyone talks about obsolescence, but we still dig holes with shovels.
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    PowerMTS 251Si

    Well I got a HF for my MTS250S Click image for larger version. 

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ID:	13082 now it come with it, sell the MTS250S and get a PowerMTS 251Si and then I don't have to drag the big extra box around. Have to call Duncan and look at the new PowerMTS 251Si.
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    Since "fan on demand" seems to be as popular as high duty cycle, maybe we could have the best of both by making it switchable. You'd have high duty cycle when needed and quiet when you're doing light work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zoama View Post
    Since "fan on demand" seems to be as popular as high duty cycle, maybe we could have the best of both by making it switchable. You'd have high duty cycle when needed and quiet when you're doing light work.
    Seems like some of the newer models have much quieter fans, so it might not be much of an issue anymore.
    About the only time I can see it being nice is while tacking something up, where you might be doing a lot of cutting and fitting and don't want to shut the welder off between tacks or listen to the fan drone in the background. If there was a thermal switch set really low, it would have little to no impact on duty cycle but could shut the fan off when the machine is idle. Of course that also adds something that could fail, so I can see the case for not having it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rambozo View Post
    Seems like some of the newer models have much quieter fans, so it might not be much of an issue anymore.
    About the only time I can see it being nice is while tacking something up, where you might be doing a lot of cutting and fitting and don't want to shut the welder off between tacks or listen to the fan drone in the background. If there was a thermal switch set really low, it would have little to no impact on duty cycle but could shut the fan off when the machine is idle. Of course that also adds something that could fail, so I can see the case for not having it.

    Rambozo, you are right about that...though with several machines we have 4 smaller fans. much quieter.

    Since when did the welding community become such softies? Lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by performance View Post
    Rambozo, you are right about that...though with several machines we have 4 smaller fans. much quieter.

    Since when did the welding community become such softies? Lol.
    I agree, I like it when its quiet enough for me to hear the fan. I will say that my MM200 has fan on demand and I purchased it in 1988 new. I have pushed it very hard at times and do not ever remember when the thermals kicked it out for overheating . But if my biggest complaint on an Everlast machine is the loud fan then I would keep it to myself.
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