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  1. Default OK, here is one of my big beefs with the Green Guys...

    I'm contemplating buying a i-mig 250P machine. So being somewhat interested in the specifics I hopefully (foolishly) go and try to find them by following the yellow brick road that 'normally' gets you to satisfaction, i.e. clicking on DOWNLOAD MANUAL. Wrongo Bongo! All one gets is something that has nothing to do with the machine you are interested in, BUT, you can find out the vague particulars of a machine that isn't offered any more. One can download the brochure, which has information but is hardly a manual. A MANUAL is a Manual is a MANUAL. What is so hard about this?

    Yes, to those that have been around, I'm already aware that lugnutz will come back and tell me that the brochure 'is all that a REAL welder needs to know'.

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    That is the way out of date manual that was mentioned. The US manuals are written here after the machines have shipped so they always lag behind. I guess if you can read Chinese, you might be able to get something more current.
    Also the product cycle is a lot different than red or blue where they sell the same machine for a decade or more. Green tends to make ongoing changes. Usually the most current specs are posted to this forum, often before the machines are even shipped. An email or phone call will be the easiest way to get the current specs and have any questions answered.
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    The machine, I personally have had two IMIG-205P over the years (still have one almost use daily; and the IMIG-200 non-pulse used more).

    They will do about anything (the 250P), but they take a bit to figure them out (like the IMIG-205P as well).

    I think Geezer wrote a IMIG-205P setup thread on here, years ago and it was good. I would a start there with a forum "search", or ask a question here, many people here can help you.

    Insulting Mark is not fair if you do not know him, he's a hard working guy that makes a lot of those changes for our products. He even just told a guy they are for the more advanced, not sure why you did not see it if you're searching for a 250P questions. He's a great guy, always making us better, but sometime he can be direct.

    Why not ask your questions? Many sharp guy on here, seems like they have no lives sometimes . Welder types normally have a thicker skin. Probably all the time I took off the gloves and did not allow enough time before grabbing it

    I will see if I can find the setup from Geezer. Or I see him online sometimes, maybe he will update it or point to it. It might be a sticky even.
    Mike R.
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    If you want a specific manual for that unit, you'll need to take it up with someone else...I write the ones I am asked to write. I'd never tell anyone that a brochure is enough. That's asinine at best. The 250P, while still on the books, is out of stock now and our immediate plans for production are on special order only for now. The 250 outsells it by far and we're putting our efforts into fostering it's growth. Manual for it will be up in a few days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by performance View Post
    If you want a specific manual for that unit, you'll need to take it up with someone else...I write the ones I am asked to write. I'd never tell anyone that a brochure is enough. That's asinine at best. The 250P, while still on the books, is out of stock now and our immediate plans for production are on special order only for now. The 250 outsells it by far and we're putting our efforts into fostering it's growth. Manual for it will be up in a few days.
    OK, thanks I guess that's the end of story then. I was looking to mate the Miller XR box to 250P because I want pulse for AL. If I'm seeing everything correctly and from what you say, that can't happen unless I was to special order the 250P? That doesn't sound attractive, especially if it needed service.

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    There are significant numbers of them out there. Service on them isn't going to dry up.

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    I have a 250P and 200P ;P I'm sure their are a bunch out there and sold a couple.

    Either way Ray has parts and normally shoots a trouble to the part not the board.
    Mike R.
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    Quote Originally Posted by everlastsupport View Post
    Ray has parts and normally shoots a trouble to the part not the board.
    Thanks, I don't really know what you mean by "the part not the board"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yofish View Post
    Thanks, I don't really know what you mean by "the part not the board"?
    The individual electronic components, that are soldered to the circuit boards. Many machines are serviced by just swapping out a whole expensive board, when all it needs is a cheap component. Also the fact that Everlast is built from pretty much industry standard components, means that it can be repaired by anyone that does basic electronic repair.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rambozo View Post
    ........ means that it can be repaired by anyone that does basic electronic repair.
    Maybe Ram, but it depends on how you define "basic". At any rate, schematics would sure help. But that ain't gonna happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rivets View Post
    Maybe Ram, but it depends on how you define "basic". At any rate, schematics would sure help. But that ain't gonna happen.
    Actually, Everlast has shared schematics privately with people that have the skills to perform their own repairs. For obvious reasons they will not publish them publicly. That is totally understandable. Most companies that publish schematics, have proprietary components, so they don't have to worry as much about being copied.
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    Ram is 100% correct. I personally have sent them (after Oleg's permission of course).

    But, we only send a section, not the whole page or set.

    And like Ram hinted, if you are "qualified", "sometimes" we will do that. Or at least I would. I know Ray does not chance it because we've done this and had the person trash the circuit board, then come to the forum and bash us. So it is a tough call and Ray is too busy to do an EE test on each caller.
    Mike R.
    Email: admineverlast@everlastwelders.com
    www.everlastgenerators.com
    www.everlastwelders.com
    877-755-9353 x203
    M-F 12 - 7PM PST
    FYI: PP50, PP80, IMIG-200, IMIG-250P, 210EXT and 255EXT.

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    Quote Originally Posted by everlastsupport View Post
    Ram is 100% correct. I personally have sent them (after Oleg's permission of course).

    But, we only send a section, not the whole page or set.

    And like Ram hinted, if you are "qualified", "sometimes" we will do that. Or at least I would. I know Ray does not chance it because we've done this and had the person trash the circuit board, then come to the forum and bash us. So it is a tough call and Ray is too busy to do an EE test on each caller.
    Great to know. Thanks guys. Info stored in my memory (mostly short term these days) bank.

    Cheers,
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    Yes, this has been a problem...more than once. It seems everyone who buys our welder claims to be an EE. More than one or two have taken said schematics and rigged stuff and done everything from turn diodes around backwards to overheat a chip when fixing this on their own. Guess who they call up and blame? And where does the complaint go? All over the place for sure, without a trace of accepting or mentioning even partial responsibility for the ensuing aftermath of a goof.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rambozo View Post
    The individual electronic components, that are soldered to the circuit boards. Many machines are serviced by just swapping out a whole expensive board, when all it needs is a cheap component. Also the fact that Everlast is built from pretty much industry standard components, means that it can be repaired by anyone that does basic electronic repair.
    Thanks for that. I like the sound of it, having been burned by main board repair outfits for Miller boards.

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