Wanting to trade a 250EX for a Powertig 185DV.

[Blaster]

IMHO, for what ever that's worth....

You're expecting WAY TOO Much for it. I know the "company line" here is to tell you it's worth 75-80% of the original purchase price but In REALITY, you have to consider from the purchaser side not what They want to foster in owner confidence (if Everlast actually had That kind of confidence they would extend the warranty to the second owner instead of taking the opportunity to get out of it)

So you have a $1400 machine that's several years old and missing $300 worth of accessories (Torch/Ground/Stinger/Pedal/Regulator/etc.) and the $100 shipping. PLUS compared to a New one, the 5yr Warranty (I'm gonna put $200 on that). This means that NO ONE, with any sense, would spend $1000, add the $600 missing to it, to have a Used welder for what they could have gotten a New one for!

To ME, USED is worth 1/2 of NEW. Otherwise it doesn't make sense to take the chance and lose a warranty. With your missing stuff I think the "Reserve Not Met" of $600 is top-of-the-Mark.


You should immediately contact the dope who was going to spend $1000 (shipped) and take his money and RUN By the time he gets what he'll need, he's foolish to pay that much.


A few years back I bought a PP256, less than a yr old that the guy wanted $1,200 for. I said it was worth $800 to me (1/2 of new) he said NO but I could come over and look at it. When I saw that the Torch & Pedal had never been used (he had just done some Plasma Cutting). Before he invested in Argon he gave Tig welding a try and decided it wasn't for him and wanted out. I called Everlast to see if I could extend, even Purchase, the warranty but they were adamant about it. I was out-of-luck and the Seller was going to have to give me a substantial discount to account for it....

We settled on $900

[The_Beave]

That's mostly what I was expecting, except it just sold at my reserve price of $900, plus shipping.

I think it is worth that much, and someone else did, too. It is only worth what people are willing to pay, even if others consist it too much or too little.

I'm just waiting to get paid at this point. That's always a gamble on ebay, I know, but, that's the chance one takes when selling something online.

Once the money clears, I'll have to decide if I'll just but the 185DV or put in the extra money for the 200DV.

Thanks for everyone's help and feedback!

[performance]

Blaster, in Reality, I don't think you'be kept track of our units. But I've kept watch over dozens of sales of our products online and even helped resell a few. I've seen consistently good returns for the customer when resales take place. They sell well and sell high. 900 isn't bad. I think you would have seen more for it as I think the mistake was to post the buy it now price. But it appears to be sold. I get calls all the time for someone looking for a used or refurb unit...People have budgets, and to get something within it, is a good deal if it gets them what they want...even if it is used.

Looks like the company "line" was right. And it has been several times before too. We have nothing to loose and eveything to gain here by giving a realistic thought based off our observations and understanding of the market. Giving the customer an inflated, unrealistic expectation in selling it when he is considering buying another unit AFTER he sells the old one, is not going to help us one little bit.

[performance]

As far as extending the warranty, the original purchaser can call in and discuss the circumstances. It's no guarantee, but we have extended them for certain cases such as hardship etc. But Miller doesn't extend theirs either... on paper.

[performance]

That's mostly what I was expecting, except it just sold at my reserve price of $900, plus shipping.

I think it is worth that much, and someone else did, too. It is only worth what people are willing to pay, even if others consist it too much or too little.

I'm just waiting to get paid at this point. That's always a gamble on ebay, I know, but, that's the chance one takes when selling something online.

Once the money clears, I'll have to decide if I'll just but the 185DV or put in the extra money for the 200DV.

Thanks for everyone's help and feedback!

Well you got 90% of the buy it now price plus the shipping...and 65% of the rough purchase cost without the addons. If it had been another brand unit that you paid 2500.00 for, you might have had gotten a higher percentage back, but lost more money in the end. Or who knows...you may have gotten bout the same percentage loss and lost even more. I've seen slightly used Dynasty's sell for 1800.00 used. That would be well more than that.

[Blaster]

Come On guys,,,,, make sense of this for me (financial sense) that is...

This "Boob" pays $1000. He now has to buy everything else. You think $300 is wrong?

So now he's got $1300 into a used and what's worse, an unwarranteed, welder with an "unknown" history (I'm sure it's fine but, how can He be?) all to have saved himself just a couple of hundred bucks...

P. T. Barnum is smiling from the grave

[Rambozo]

The lack of accessories is what tips the balance to me. Your $300 is even a little light at current Everlast MSRP. If it was turnkey complete, I think the price would be ok. But obviously someone thought otherwise.

$129.00 Torch 26
$45.00 Regulator
$35.00 Ground lead
$49.00 Stick lead
$89.00 Pedal
$347.00 Total

[performance]

Blaster,
There are multiple records of sales occurring of our products listed here on this forum by several customers themselves watching sales. Maybe you haven't seen them. But they retail high. Even broken/damaged units.

You are missing several parts of the equation and don't understand the economics of it. The reason resale is consistently high, is 1) Newer prices are going up. 2) To buy a TIG welder with 250amps anywhere for 1000.00 with features is impossible warranty or not. 3) Our boards and components are not expensive and in most cases the units are relatively inexpensive to fix by comparison...even if you could find a Miller Dyasty at 1000.00, it would be broken and out of warranty and take another 1000.00-1500.00 or more to fix it. so that gets back to its still a good value in peoples minds. Even if it has an issue a couple hundred will likely fix anything that is wrong with it, and it still beats out 1700.00 for a new 250EX...or a broken or out of warranty Dynasty for 1500.00 4) What it boils down is not necessarily the cost of a new versus old welder from Everlast, it can be for a person the difference between having no welder, or having a welder...regardless of brand...

[Blaster]

Blaster,
There are multiple records of sales occurring of our products listed here on this forum by several customers themselves watching sales. Maybe you haven't seen them. But they retail high. Even broken/damaged units.

You are missing several parts of the equation and don't understand the economics of it. The reason resale is consistently high, is 1) Newer prices are going up. 2) To buy a TIG welder with 250amps anywhere for 1000.00 with features is impossible warranty or not. 3) Our boards and components are not expensive and in most cases the units are relatively inexpensive to fix by comparison...even if you could find a Miller Dyasty at 1000.00, it would be broken and out of warranty and take another 1000.00-1500.00 or more to fix it. so that gets back to its still a good value in peoples minds. Even if it has an issue a couple hundred will likely fix anything that is wrong with it, and it still beats out 1700.00 for a new 250EX...or a broken or out of warranty Dynasty for 1500.00 4) What it boils down is not necessarily the cost of a new versus old welder from Everlast, it can be for a person the difference between having no welder, or having a welder...regardless of brand...

You also don't take into account the fact that the guy may already own one or more Everlasts and is picking up a spare...or may already have the equipment he needs or wants to go with it if he is already in business and was just completing the package...or that he planned to "upgrade" all these components anyway with SSC or CK products. It could have also been a parent looking to start his kid off welding and let his kid pick up the "balance". There's all sorts of reasons I can think of that aren't that strained to think up.

Here's a 200DX well on its way to selling well too and its from a salvage facility it looks like: http://www.ebay.com/itm/PowerTIG-200...p2054897.l5660

NONE of that answers the Question as to WHY anyone would trade $200 for a New Machine with a 5yr warranty.

I care Nothing about Miller (you keep wanting to compare Apples & Oranges) I'm saying that exact machine can be bought on eBay right now for another $200 (or less maybe with a "Best Offer") and Not doing that, I just can't imagine being the right choice.

You just have to agree that spending 12% More for Brand New & Warranteed makes sense to you too over years old/stripped/no coverage (or are really so into carrying the-company-water you can't admit that.....?)

[zoama]

I'm pretty sure the original owner's accessories will fit and work with the 200DV but are they compatible with the 185DV ?

[performance]

You also don't take into account the fact that the guy may already own one or more Everlasts and is picking up a spare...or may already have the equipment he needs or wants to go with it if he is already in business and was just completing the package...or that he planned to "upgrade" all these components anyway with SSC or CK products. It could have also been a parent looking to start his kid off welding and let his kid pick up the "balance". There's all sorts of reasons I can think of that aren't that strained to think up.

Here's a 200DX well on its way to selling well too and its from a salvage facility it looks like: http://www.ebay.com/itm/PowerTIG-200...p2054897.l5660