How to I use this Everlast torch.

**Judgeless** · 06-10-2014, 10:42 PM

I have an Everlast 210EXT and it came with a bonus AMP control torch. It shipped with the wrong gas connector. I finally took the time to buy a new connector and clamp so it works with the 210EXT.

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I assume the best way to use it is 4T mode. I also assume when the variable knob is turned all the way up. You press the button and it starts the ARC, then when you release the button it runs the weld at target AMP setting. If you move the knob it turns down the AMP setting.

On my 210EXT it will not let me select 4T mode when this torched is plugged in. It does let me select 4T with the default Everlast torch. If I changed the hidden menu (D8) to 1 it lets me select 4T.

When I try to use the variable control it has zero effect. What is the best way to use this torch?

**Kempy** · 06-10-2014, 11:20 PM

I don't have a 210EXT but a 255EXT and it should be the same on T4 you only get to use the Amptrol up to what ever setting on amps you set on the machine. I set mine to max. then I have the complete range of amps. When you first start by pushing the start button once it will start the arc, then you can use the Amptrol up or down then push the start button again and it shuts off. Mine has to be in pedal and T4 at the same time to work both light are on. Like they say if all fails read the manual.

**Judgeless** · 06-11-2014, 01:39 AM

I wonder how you get the 210EXT in pedal and 4T mode? The torch did not come with a manual and the 201EXT manual covers very little.

**Rambozo** · 06-11-2014, 01:47 AM

Never seen that version of torch before. IMHO it doesn't look all that ergonomic to use. The preview pictures were a totally different design.

**performance** · 06-11-2014, 02:22 AM

I use the air cooled version of that torch with the 210EXT. It was/is the torch that comes with that version as an optional amp control. It works well. I used it welding upside down under a stainless running board of a 1 ton truck the other day, and was comfortable...would have been perfect if I had a stubby consumable kit like we sell but other than that, it was easy to get a grip on and use my outside fingers to roll on the power. I was using 2T mode as I was doing short welds and tacks to get the running boards back on the truck so they wouldn't "flap" around going down the road. The new 210EXT coming out soon and the current 255EXT has a pedal and a pedal 4T mode. Judgeless the unit you have does not.

**performance** · 06-11-2014, 02:40 AM

When you select do1 in program 8 of the background menu, it allows you to select the special 4T mode which allows you to ramp power up and down after the switch is released the first time and upslope has finished doing its thing. The range of control(welding amps) is set on the panel and the torch will control the amperage from the minimum set amperage up to the selected welding amperage.

**Judgeless** · 06-11-2014, 03:28 AM

Originally Posted by performance

When you select do1 in program 8 of the background menu, it allows you to select the special 4T mode which allows you to ramp power up and down after the switch is released the first time and upslope has finished doing its thing. The range of control(welding amps) is set on the panel and the torch will control the amperage from the minimum set amperage up to the selected welding amperage.

I did that. I have it set in the hidden menu option 8 now to 1. It now lets me select 4T mode. It does not let me use the rolling knob to change the current. Do you think my 210EXT is bad for the torch Everlast sent me is bad?

**performance** · 06-11-2014, 03:53 AM

Does the torch function in 2T with the amp control? You should try it again. How are you using it exactly? How are you determining it is not working? What are your 4T settings? IIRC, it will not allow the torch to control the amps below the start (or end?) current? I'll have to check that aspect as I set it for low current for 4T starting/ending amps. If it allows you to set it to 4T with 01, that part is correct. But slope should block the current adjustment feature until it slopes up to the determined amp setting on the torch. There is a possibility too that the torch knob responds more slowly according to the slope setting. (Will have to test several settings, but the unit I have works with the knob in 4T.

**Judgeless** · 06-11-2014, 03:58 AM

When I use the pedal to change the amperage it shows the current amperage on the 210EXT. When I use the knob it does not seem to change the amperage. Should it?

**Judgeless** · 06-11-2014, 04:06 AM

Originally Posted by performance

Does the torch function in 2T with the amp control? You should try it again. How are you using it exactly? How are you determining it is not working?

Everlast has a different view of 2T and 4T then I do. This is what I expect.

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With 2T I would expect that I would have to hold the button the entire time and adjust the amps with another finger? Is that correct? This seems very difficult and I have not tried it.

With 4T after I release the button I should be able to adjust the amps up or down using the rolling knob. Is this your view? It is not working on my unit.

**performance** · 06-11-2014, 04:36 AM

Try it. An inexperienced person may have difficulty... I don't have an issue personally. But it's easy enough to test by holding your finger on the button, and create a steady arc a fairly low amperage on a piece of metal, say 50 amps or so, not enough to melt it, and reach across and adjust the knob with the other. Or just hold it in your right hand while holding an arc and adjust it. YOU have tried it while welding correct? Don't look at the machine, look at the arc. Does the intensity change?

But as usual here, you have not directly answered my questions. Your chart is immaterial, and you've not given me the answers to the questions I provided.

**Judgeless** · 06-11-2014, 05:21 AM

Originally Posted by performance

But as usual here, you have not directly answered my questions. Your chart is immaterial, and you've not given me the answers to the questions I provided.

Please post your direct questions and I will answer them. If those views of 2T and 4T are 1000% wrong please post how Everlast views 2T and 4T so we are on the same page.

Originally Posted by performance

But it's easy enough to test by holding your finger on the button, and create a steady arc a fairly low amperage on a piece of metal, say 50 amps or so, not enough to melt it, and reach across and adjust the knob with the other.

You claim in 2T mode this is possible. As soon as you release the button it stops, so you have to have one finger on the button at all times in 2T mode. This seems crazy to me as a right handed person, along with 90% of the right handed people in the world. Are you saying you push the button with my thumb and somehow use one of the other fingers to turn the knob? Please post a YouTube video of you doing this? This seems close to impossible.

What finger turns the knob? Middle finger? Ringer finger? or the pinky?

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**performance** · 06-11-2014, 05:54 AM

Again, it takes practice just like feeding rod. I use a reverse grip in many places, and at 6'2", my hand is large enough to grip and hold whatever I want. Thumb on switch, Index or middle on the knob. Or, a fore hand grip thumb/hand on switch, index or middle rolling the knob. Even if you cannot master it, you can hold the torch in one hand and steady/brace yourself, and turn the knob with the other hand well enough to determine if the pot is working in 2T.

As for the discussion of the chart, that is irrelevant. We've already discussed ad nauseum how this works. Stop being foolish and wasting my time and everyone's time for that matter by NOT playing the same game over and over. I put question marks after my questions which is customary in the English language. I asked you 7 direct questions above. Those are as direct as they can be. I need your settings on each part of the weld cycle to duplicate it and figure out what is going right/wrong and how you are determining the arc or amps do not change. In other words, give full and complete details on how you are attempting to set the torch up, and what amps/time and flow you are using as well as AC or DC etc. Tell me what you observe when you are doing all that. All those come into play if you are trying to trouble shoot it.

**Judgeless** · 06-11-2014, 06:08 AM

So you are saying that my 210EXT will not work in 4T mode using the Everlast Torch that was include with my unit with the ability to start the ARC with the button and release and control it using the variable knob after that? You obviously work for Everlast.

**Judgeless** · 06-11-2014, 06:18 AM

Originally Posted by performance

I have asked you 7 direct questions above

I will be glad to answer all of them. Post them!!!! I will show video of each of them not working on my EXT210. My only issue is most of what I post here gets deleted.

**performance** · 06-11-2014, 06:19 AM

Just went out to take a picture to show you how "impossible" you are being. What I suggested is not impossible at all, and works fine...once again, I submit proof. First the reverse grip, Second the fore hand grip...and if that doesn't suit you, you can always put a 1/4 turn (or more) twist on the head by rotating it in the handle and "turn" the torch so handle rests differently while you are welding.

**DaveO** · 06-11-2014, 11:17 AM

Joining this thread with *extreme* trepidation.

Originally Posted by Judgeless

You obviously work for Everlast.

Correct! Mark works for Everlast, and his job, unenviable as it is at the moment, is to help users. He really is trying to help you... yet if I may observe, Judgeless, you *appear* to be attempting to solve a problem by requiring that it conform to your knowledge and expectations. It's been established the Everlast machine is different from the Lincoln you learned on, so may I suggest: set expectations aside, and allow Mark to work with you. You'll solve your problem sooner, and have a better understanding of how this machine works.

Analogy: you learned to drive a car with an automatic transmission, and now you are presented with a manual transmission vehicle. Both vehicles are fully functional, yet have inherent differences. You cannot learn to drive the new vehicle by expecting to find a "D" setting.

Posted in the interest of problem solving: a concise reprise of Mark's 7 questions. Please use these as a starting point.
From post #8:
~Does the torch function in 2T with the amp control?
~How are you using it exactly?
~How are you determining it is not working?
~What are your 4T settings?
~IIRC, it will not allow the torch to control the amps below the start (or end?) current?

From post #11:
~YOU have tried it while welding correct?
~Don't look at the machine, look at the arc. Does the intensity change?

**performance** · 06-11-2014, 12:01 PM

Your posts haven't been deleted, not by me at least. Not sure which posts you are referring to. I reviewed your posts, and it looks like the ones you have made, especially the "memorable" ones are still there. I recall removing one or two redundant posts (saying the same thing over and over) but by no means "all", or "most". Anyway other mods can confirm this as they can still see the deleted posts in your threads typically.

**performance** · 06-11-2014, 12:12 PM

I am going to point out that I don't keep track of every detailed function of every machine we have. I was not involved in the development of this machine after the development of the plastic panels which I drew out the look and visual appeal personally before being finished off by the factory . The manual, functions etc, fell out of my usual purview, so I don't remember or know every detail. I can confirm the functions with my unit though so this is why I was asking questions to duplicate things to see if I can determine what is going on. The new 210ext is slightly different, but I haven't been able to test every function as of yet.

**Judgeless** · 06-11-2014, 02:30 PM