New 210EXT

[RichardH]

Matt,

I'm coming back from diving at Lake Pleasant shortly, headed back to Chandler. Call me and I'll try to talk the wife into stopping by and checking out your kit, or you're welcome to come to my place - it's only 45 miles. :-)
Four eight oh, eight six one, seven nine three nine.
Cheers,
Richard

[performance]

Your torch should be in the right. Not the ground. This is likely most of the problem. Black and white wires are hot. Green is ground. It should have nema 6-50 plug.

[RichardH]

Good news, I think… I stopped by Matt's and we tinkered with his 210EXT for a while on both steel and aluminum, and I think we settled on some settings that work well on each. There definitely was some screwiness with the welder - not a physical defect, but the user interface has a "quirk".

He's got the new "2014" one-knob model of 210EXT (I think it's the one they've been selling in Canada for a little while), and aside from the panel being different, the personality is a little different.

Specifically, this version of the 210EXT has a new option for "Pedal", in addition to 2T/4T. Though I'm not sure how that's different from 2T. Second, it seems that the 4T settings were in effect for start/end amps and up/down slope, even when the welder was not in 4T mode - this was the root of the problem. Once we zeroed out the start/end amps and up/down slope, and set it to Pedal for good measure… then it started working as expected.

On the 2013 version I have, you can't even set 4T options when the pedal is plugged in - it auto-selects 2T mode, and it works as you'd expect. In the case above, it seemed like the pedal and 4T were both battling for control, so the welder was stuck in arc-start mode for a really long time. It wouldn't be until after the 5.0sec upslope time (or even double that) that a steady arc would establish and we'd get a puddle. During that time, the amps on the display jumped all over the place.

We didn't do a lot of problem isolation once we got to working settings, so I don't know if switching from 2T to Pedal fixed the problem, or if it's because we zeroed out the slopes. Either way, it probably shouldn't be doing 4T when it's not in 4T mode.

FWIW,
Richard

[RichardH]

FYI, Matt.

Here's the adapter you'll need for your torch - that CK Superflex will be like night and day compared to the stock torch, but watch the max amps.
http://store.mwsco.com/storefront/ev...Product=614861
I didn't notice, but I assume your version of 210EXT has a quick disconnect on the front panel for gas. If not, this isn't the right adapter.
MWSCO is a weak site, but they have the best prices going. It's run by the same folks as WeldFabulous.com, but the prices are like 15% better.


If you find you're going through gas too fast, give this $10 fix a try - it'll eliminate the surge when you light up, which is wasted gas. If you do a lot of short welds, surge can use more gas than actually welding. http://forum.weldingtipsandtricks.co...tart=10#p26728

For gas and filler, the guys at Allied Gas have been very good to work with, and their prices are the best I've found. I use the location in Tempe at Scottsdale & Curry (just off 202). They have another closer to you.

For other consumables, I eventually bought a selection of CK collets, bodies, gas lenses, etc. from MWSCO, but I also built a large kit from eBay that'll probably last me a very long time. Here are some links: http://forum.weldingtipsandtricks.co...php?f=5&t=4398

Finally… when you find yourself in Chandler, the place I mentioned is TechShop - stop in for a tour, any day before midnight: http://www.techshop.ws

Cheers,
Richard

[Blaster]

X2 - on Mississippi Welding, they're my new go-to supplier!

[DaveO]

Very cool y'all were able to get together!

[Paul Moir]

If you find you're going through gas too fast, give this $10 fix a try ...

That is brilliant! Thank you.

[Kempy]

Rambozo
I think they have to set each number to something or the machine would not know what to do when it dose its self test on start up and go to nothing because you have to set it to something, there are know blank setting, it has to go to some type of setting the only thing that has off is the Pulse. I wish it had memory numbers I could use them or memory stick USB.

[joshuab]

Either way, it probably shouldn't be doing 4T when it's not in 4T mode.

Some people seem to prefer upslope and downslope when in 2T mode. Jody over at Welding Tips and Tricks even has a video where he talks about using the torch switch with up/downslope to do a manual slow-pulse for heat control when welding out of position so you can't use a pedal. But, yeah, no reason at all that I can think of for having up/downslope active when in pedal mode.

[Paul Moir]

I like having downslope active when in pedal because I can set it for a "no crater". It's lazy I know but why not have that automatic? When your done just slam the pedal open and let the downslope take care of things.

Upslope/Downslope is great for modulating a lower power when using 2t, and the "blast" you get from a short upslope is really handy. I never use 4t but I'm almost never making long constant current welds.

[Judgeless]

I like having downslope active when in pedal because I can set it for a "no crater". It's lazy I know but why not have that automatic? When your done just slam the pedal open and let the downslope take care of things.

Upslope/Downslope is great for modulating a lower power when using 2t, and the "blast" you get from a short upslope is really handy. I never use 4t but I'm almost never making long constant current welds.

I would like this feature also. It is not supported in DC- on the 210EXT. Also start amps and down amps are not supported in AC mode when set as 2T.

[performance]

Two points worth noting, as context is important.
1) This is a limited release of the new 210ext unit, as we prepare for full production. It's very different in many respects than the current unit and has more/different capabilities than the current unit including a higher duty cycle, larger case, different factory etc.
2) Paul's unit, last I knew was a 225lx unit (and not a digital 210ext) which is analog and all analog units use the 2T function in conjunction with the pedal as it is the same circuit. Slope works on this unit, but there are NO start amps or end amps, and it always starts at the lowest capable amperage, and ramps up from there. The upslope and downslope must be turned down or off to run the pedal normally or operational issues will occur.

[Judgeless]

Two points worth noting, as context is important.
1) This is a limited release of the new 210ext unit, as we prepare for full production. It's very different in many respects than the current unit and has more/different capabilities than the current unit including a higher duty cycle, larger case, different factory etc.
2) Paul's unit, last I knew was a 225lx unit (and not a digital 210ext) which is analog and all analog units use the 2T function in conjunction with the pedal as it is the same circuit. Slope works on this unit, but there are NO start amps or end amps, and it always starts at the lowest capable amperage, and ramps up from there. The upslope and downslope must be turned down or off to run the pedal normally or operational issues will occur.

Slope works on my unit in AC 2T mode. It does not in DC 2T mode. The Longevity TigWeld 200EX supports up slope and down slope in both AC, DC- and DC+ using 2T. The Longevity TigWeld 200EX does not support start amps or end amps unless you are in 4T mode. Miller Dynasty 200 and Lincoln V205T support up slope, down slop, start amps and end amps in all modes (AC, DC- and DC+).

[wileyone123]

Newbie here......gotta start somewhere!

My NEW 210EXT will be 'In the Mail' (so to say) this next week...im quite excited about it

I see, from a pic that Alex sent me, that there is no Advanced Sine waveform, like on the 255EXT....whats up with that?
Also, no 'Easy Start' either.....whatever that is/does.

From other posts that i hv read, i believe the Sine wave sounds/functions similar to the Old Transformer tigs.
Im anxious to learn more about this machine...and hear what others hv to say about these functions....and what their purpose/function is....and if its really needed on the New 210EXT (altho they probly not gonna add it now tho).

I must say, so far, the knowledge, professionalism and willingness to answer all my questions, has been OUTSTANDING from the team at Everlast.

thnx guys!

[rabler]

New 210EXT "replacement" just showed up today. I'd gotten one in May but it died after about 2 seconds of welding. The one today is the newer one-dial model, generally looks like an all around improved setup. Includes a power plug on the cord, and a 120VAC adapter to plug it into a standard 15A 120V outlet at about 50% welding capacity according to the manual.

[Judgeless]

Specifically, this version of the 210EXT has a new option for "Pedal", in addition to 2T/4T. Though I'm not sure how that's different from 2T. Second, it seems that the 4T settings were in effect for start/end amps and up/down slope, even when the welder was not in 4T mode - this was the root of the problem. Once we zeroed out the start/end amps and up/down slope, and set it to Pedal for good measure… then it started working as expected.

I would like to use the up slope, start amps, down slope and end amps in 2T mode. When I read that your 4T setting work when you were in 2T mode I got excited. I tried it on my unit and it had zero effect.