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    Do you have the torch in the negative side?

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    After carefully studying the sideways picture of the welder you posted, you do not...There's a detail about it in the manual with a picture. Always EN for the torch even when you are welding aluminum. Put the torch in the negative (right) side.

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    Quote Originally Posted by performance View Post
    After carefully studying the sideways picture of the welder you posted, you do not...There's a detail about it in the manual with a picture. Always EN for the torch even when you are welding aluminum. Put the torch in the negative (right) side.
    WTF...Ok then. I'll try not to f*** anything else up and report back tomorrow with the results of using my other water cooled torch. I'm using it with only gas I was told that it's good for up to like 150amps.
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    Hobart 140 MIG

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    No, do not use it or you will melt it. Whoever told you it was good for 150 amps was wrong! Create a rudimentary cooling system with a water hose and some fittings. Talk about contamination.

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    Quote Originally Posted by performance View Post
    No, do not use it or you will melt it. Whoever told you it was good for 150 amps was wrong! Create a rudimentary cooling system with a water hose and some fittings. Talk about contamination.
    That would be some one in sales when I initially bought the machine told me it was good for 150. Just using a hose and fittings should run roughly like a proper cooling system? Just curious if I should wait for the new torch.
    Everlast 250EX
    Hobart 140 MIG

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    Quote Originally Posted by dmost View Post
    That would be some one in sales when I initially bought the machine told me it was good for 150. Just using a hose and fittings should run roughly like a proper cooling system? Just curious if I should wait for the new torch.
    I would wait on the new torch. The air you pull in will just mess up the welds.

    If it happens when you get the new torch, Mark's not kidding about contaminated gas. It's the bulk of the calls on contaminated welds, or a back cap loose letting air in (or missing/bad o-ring in the cap).

    The CK is $ but a very nice torch and hose. If you plan on doing a lot of welding, I too recommend it.

    On the water cooling, hook up the hose or tap to it, done it for too many years to count. Get a arc flow (as Mark would say) "about like a water fountain" and just drain it outside the shop or in a sink. See below.

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    There's a number of ways to adapt the torch. It doesn't take a lot of flow so you aren't wasting a lot of water.

    Old school shops have done it this way for years. If you've ever walked into an old welding shop there's a water spigot right beside the refrigerator TIG sized welder, and a floor drain right next to it.
    This isn't anything new...and works just fine...especially if you've got some flowers that need watering.

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    Quote Originally Posted by everlastsupport View Post
    Can you hear a frequency change when you go from 10 o'clock to 2 o'clock on the Hz knob?

    I agree with Mark, it's dirty aluminum (about all we get to work with) but the weld does not look right either. Is this with the new torch you were sent?
    Yea I can hear a very different change when I got from say 50 to 150. So it seems like the frequency is working. No this was with the water cooled torch I have rigged with a hose. Worked very well actually. Well, kind of.

    Quote Originally Posted by JimMinKent View Post
    Lets see if we can make some headway here.

    Adding the water cooling won't weld differently, it will just keep your torch from a complete meltdown. Water cooled torches cannot handle very much current nor for very long. A water cooled torch without the water is NOT equal to a gas cooled setup, perhaps one quarter of its water cooled rating. Even then I would rather use a true gas-cooled setup rather than ever do any actual welding with a dry water cooled torch.

    On to your aluminum problems. These first are basic, but we have to eliminate fundamental things to get a known baseline condition. It appears that your alum plate can be welded, but not all aluminum alloys do so readily. If you could get a known piece of 6061, or verify that this is, that would be good. Once we figure out your problem, it should weld through anything on this plate, It looks clean enough to get a proper weld laid down. Make a habit of a final wipe with acetone before you weld.

    Verify Torch in NEG terminal, work clamp in POS.

    There are sporadic signs of cathode etching, so somehow we are getting some Electrode Positive cleaning action. You need to verify it's going into AC mode. Toggle from DC - smooth & quiet, to AC - 100hz or so, it'll buzz at a nice medium frequency audible tone. Make sure AC is operational, btw, do not use pulse for these tests, please.

    Gas flow can cause what is shown, so we need to test gas flow from the regulator to the back of the machine, to the open end of the assembled torch cup. Pull gas hose from back of machine and test regulator for proper operation. With an open hose dial in flow rates up to perhaps 15 LPM and back down to off. That proves the hose and regulator. Next we need to re-install hose and test the flow through the machine's gas solenoid. Disassemble the torch, remove cap and collet body, use a bare torch for this. Then in Lift Start (so you are not dealing with the HiFreq. mode), hit the pedal and see if you get a good flow at various settings all the way to the bare torch end.

    Test for leaks through the entire system by blocking off both sides of the bare torch, hit the pedal and see if you have any flow, you should not.

    If all good so far, build the torch back up, and be careful that the collet body gas holes are not blocked by the cup. This can happen if the insulator keeps the cup out a ways on the collet body threads. Use a #6 cup, and with the torch reassembled, with 1/4" stickout, verify a setting of 8-9 LPM on the flowmeter, and listen and feel for good flow at the open cup.

    I would be interested in knowing if your successful steel tigging you mentioned had any red smoky areas or if it was pristine when complete.

    If all good so far then make the following machine settings: Use pedal, AC mode, 2T, Pre-Flow 0.5 sec, Post-Flow 5.0 sec, Up/Down slope Off, 200 Amps, 100Hz Freq., 30%EP balance, freshly sharpened tungsten, 1/4" stickout, #6 cup, good ground connection, HF Start, 4043 filler.

    If the tungsten burns into a loose dribbling molten ball, there is something wrong with the balance, it should stay sharp and just soften at the tip. If it balls badly, re-grind and try setting balance the other way, this would indicate a machine issue, as Everlast machines reference % of Electrode Positive.

    If you can sustain an arc on this aluminum, with an arc gap of about 1/16", you should be getting good cathodic cleaning, a light foggy area around the puddle, and a shiny puddle. Make sure there are no breezes from fans or other to blow away the shielding gas. The fans on the machines ARE enough to ruin your shielded environment if at just the wrong location.

    If you dip the tungsten even the slightest, stop and re-grind it, there can be no aluminum stuck on it.

    If you complete each step in order, and still have issues, I'd look at the gas, try a known good tank, even if you have to borrow one.

    Hope we can get you going soon, report back your findings when you get a chance.

    Edit: This is funny, while I'm writing this long post, Rambozo and srp make posts covering similar salient points, that happened last time, too! Oh well, we're just trying to help a guy out, good advice men!

    I'll try to get some 6061 today and do this over the weekend. For starters I know the torch was in the NEG and the clamp was in the POS. Also I can hear when using the frequency so that would tell me AC is working. Yea haven't touched pulse for any of this. Another thing is my tungston stayed perfectly sharp threw the tests I did yesterday. The rest of this I'm going to go through this weekend. I'll come back with the results of my findings.
    Everlast 250EX
    Hobart 140 MIG

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