Plasma Consumable Life

[performance]

Here's an apples for apples picture I promised.
Those consumables don't look any bigger or thicker than the S-45 to me. The torch is about the same size in girth, a little longer in length.

[Rambozo]

[brucer]

Here's an apples for apples picture I promised.
Those consumables don't look any bigger or thicker than the S-45 to me. The torch is about the same size in girth, a little longer in length.

I can tell by looking at the picture of the tips, there is a difference, quite a difference in lengths on all the parts.. The electrodes are a completely different design from the trafimet s45 to the Thermal Dynamics sl40, the trafimet electrodes look to be about 1/2" shorter, maybe more... The shield cup is completely different and looks to be a bit larger and completely different material on the sl40.. I like the start cartridge better than swirl rings.. The distance from the electrode tip to the torch body looks quite a bit different between the two torches.

and in your previous post about the htp, yes their smaller unit uses the trafimet torch, their microcut600 uses the same torch as the Longevity 42i, their 875 looks like they are using the thermal dynamics torch.

[performance]

Actually Brucer, We used a more expensive torch for MIG, and an equally expensive one for TIG. The knobs and dials and components were the same.

And the Hobart cutters are made on the same line as the Millers, only the Millers use an eastern european torch and the Hobarts use the S-45.

You are confusing design with quality and weight. There's a difference in design. Shield cups are about the same. The S45 seemed to have more brass. The start cartridge is about same diameter as our swirl ring, and function in part the same. The reason the electrode is longer is because it doesn't screw into anything and has to recede into the housing to be held in place, and on the S-45 instead of a start cartridge, the unit has a spring loaded piston which the electrode screws into. In fact a lot of people complain about the start cartridge design because it wears out and sticks. Spring tension on this one was a lot lighter than the S45......but some people like it. It's just a different way to do the same thing. The length of the tips is negligible because the S-45 has 3 tip lengths, and styles. I have used them all. This is the medium one...and they did/or currently make a long life cup for the torch. I know they still do on several models.

The forum is sponsored by the two companies. It is not cheap to operate, and the forum has been for sale. You might ask the other companies why they don't step in a support it. But they are making enough off us to make it worth their effort to keep it open for now. Some of those ingrates who don't understand economics over there keep touting, a paid forum membership and other ways to pay. Great way to really kill things off and make that a place of "us only". Their viewership has plummeted from all evidence, not because of us, but because of vultures on their perches waiting to swoop down and attack anything they think is weaker than them.


Brucer
The only thing we delete is 1) posts by the peanut gallery like you who have no skin in the game and non germane posts that don't help resolve the issue. 2) Posts and threads that are closed service matters that customers have given permission to close and or delete...that have no valuable technical content. If they didn't give us permission or didn't have the problem resolved satisfactorily, don't you think they'd be coming back and saying "Hey why was my thread closed?" You don't see that.

But on rare occasion, very rare, here we do ban people...I'd say you are approaching your limit with your diatribe that has no base in reality, and when confronted with truth, you deny or throw up red herrings, or outright lie.

[brucer]

The forum is sponsored by the two companies. It is not cheap to operate, and the forum has been for sale. You might ask the other companies why they don't step in a support it. But they are making enough off us to make it worth their effort to keep it open for now. Some of those ingrates who don't understand economics over there keep touting, a paid forum membership and other ways to pay. Great way to really kill things off and make that a place of "us only". Their viewership has plummeted from all evidence, not because of us, but because of vultures on their perches waiting to swoop down and attack anything they think is weaker than them.

That forum is not sponsored by the two companies because Penton cant afford it, it is sponsored by the two companies because the two companies want to have a web presence there simply because of the volume of traffic on welding web, simply for marketing, and Everlast and the other company paid an premium price for a presence there, also for the fact Everlast had to pay for admin rights to its sponsored section, and you know it... A forum is not expensive to own and operate and you know it. you can go to godaddy and have one hosted and running within a day, and forum software costs probably around $500 for an extensive package but can be bought for probably around $150 with a year of technical support and upgrades..

But on rare occasion, very rare, here we do ban people...I'd say you are approaching your limit with your diatribe that has no base in reality, and when confronted with truth, you deny or throw up red herrings, or outright lie.

Honestly I could care less.. The only reason I replied to the op was to give him the facts, which can easily be proven.... and you jump in with the normal Everlast lies and excuses..

[brucer]

to the op, there is a simple explanation why Everlast does not publish a cut speed chart. They dont have the time and resources for it.. Plasma torches are not designed and created equal so other companies cut charts will not work with a different companies equipment, all you have to do is compare cutspeed charts from the top 3 plasma manufacturers and you will see a significant difference in pierce and cut heights which greatly effect dross, angularity, pierce times and cut quality.

as an example my Cutmaster 52 will cut 1/4" and 3/8" plate at the Thermal Dynamics published cut speed. 190 pierce height and .190 stand off orcut height and completely different feed rates..
Hypertherms pierce height and cut height and feed rates are completely different..
and Esabs are completely different.
all using comparable power supplies but each manufacturer has their own torch design, which greatly changes cutting parameters.


For an Example, without a cut speed chart for your specific import plasma cutter, your cutting parameters for you specific machine and torch model with greatly differ, which in turn will drastically reduce your consumable life even more.. anyone that says that this is incorrect dont know what they are talking about.