I hear you Mark , I have been involved in getting stuff out of China , most of the big machinery manufacturers already have a sub contractor doing the packaging with some format that would work already in place so boxing dies are not nessesary ,it's best to have someone on the ground at the manufacturer before every run to wheel and deal ,and not sign off on sub standard items like packaging ,speaking mandarin is a must . Unfortunately the manufacturer will always try taking a cheap way out . For this very reason ,a lot of items have been brought back to continental North America for manufacturing