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    Default First Test on Everlast PT 2013-250EX

    EVERLAST POWERTIG 250EX-2013
    Had some time to play with my the new 2013-250EX lots to learn over old Hobart 400 pound transformer type welder has done me well for 36 years. Made new panel note drawing to the 2013-250EX I got if someone need PDF file PM me and I will send it to you.
    Problem I have and would change on the 2013- 250EX the 220volt for the water cooler should be hooked up to the main switch to turn the 220 volt pump on when the welder is turned on. You turn off welder the pumps is still running you turn the pump off it is a problem for me the old weld turned off the pump turned off welder on pump on I will say no more.
    Change number two put LED lights on or beside the switches to tell you ON or OFF or MOD it is in. I know the new 255EXT will tell you what MOD you are in but not available yet or I would have bought one.
    Change number three the tig gun quick disconnect should be at 2 O’clock not at 9 O’clock that is the pin locking mechanism the hose to the water cooler pointing at 2 O’clock and has a sharp turn to get to the cooler so I change mine to have the hose at 9 O’clock down see Pics.
    Change number four none love the machine.
    Is this normal for the HF to keep jumping inside the torch/pedal control plug?

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    Thanks for the quick review. I' think I'll definitely be changing the rotation on my quick connect. I'm not sure but I don't think the arc should be jumping inside the plug, check your points gap to make sure it's at around .035", which according to spec , is optimum.

    I imagine the arc will jump at the point of least resistance. So if your torch gap to the work is larger than the gap between the HF terminals in side the plug, it will jump at the terminals. The way to fix this is to insulate inside the terminal. If i get this issue on mine I'll probably pump some silicone caulk into the terminal to isolate it better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by xalky View Post
    So if your torch gap to the work is larger than the gap between the HF terminals in side the plug, it will jump at the terminals.
    There are no HF terminals inside a plug that I'm aware of.
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    It seems Dinse plugs don't all clock the same. It's nice that it's an easy fix to get the lines going stress free. Last thing you want is a kinked water line. I agree that the cooler outlet definitely should be switched. Knowing myself, it is something I will have to modify once I get one for sure. AFAIK the control plug should be all low voltage and current lines, something sounds strange if you are getting arcing. Maybe some HF leakage from the nearby Dinse terminals? Something that needs to be taken care of ASAP. Are you using the HF ground point on the back?
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    I put a line on the HF nut on the back but that did not do anything. See pics lots of arc in the plug will have to wait and see if tech will give me some ideas.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kempy View Post
    I put a line on the HF nut on the back but that did not do anything. See pics lots of arc in the plug will have to wait and see if tech will give me some ideas.

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    I take it that is the torch switch plug. Does the foot pedal plug do any arcing? (I would guess not.)

    My guess is that you have a HF leak inside the torch cable, probably near the switch. I would look for where that is and insulate it. It can't be good for the welder to get HF leakage into the control circuits. I'm surprised that is hasn't caused a problem. Must be built pretty tough.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kempy View Post
    I put a line on the HF nut on the back but that did not do anything. See pics lots of arc in the plug will have to wait and see if tech will give me some ideas.
    The HF bolt on the back is the same chassis ground that your power cord is connected to. If you don't give it a shorter path to ground than the power cord offers, there won't any benefit. I don't think that's the problem here though.
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    I have not seen the inside of the 2013 250EX, waiting on Oleg there. I have emailed and not heard back

    Is this with a foot pedal or just the torch switch? Best to get Ray ext 207, he should be up on any changed in the machine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by everlastsupport View Post
    I have not seen the inside of the 2013 250EX, waiting on Oleg there. I have emailed and not heard back

    Is this with a foot pedal or just the torch switch?
    Just the torch switch. I will put the foot pedal on and try it.
    The ground cable for the HF was put to the special line for the CNC machine three 8 ft 3/4 rods ten feet apart with double 0 cable
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    What are the torches like that come with it? ANy pics?

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    There's a wire laying against someplace the HF circuit runs inside likely or the point gap is off. There' not been a major change in circuit layout, other than beefing up some circuit components.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnson View Post
    What are the torches like that come with it? ANy pics?
    I ordered a WP-20F 25ft that I am using now and a WP-18 Amptrol Torch I will try later got all with the 250EX welder at the same time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by performance View Post
    There's a wire laying against someplace the HF circuit runs inside likely or the point gap is off. There' not been a major change in circuit layout, other than beefing up some circuit components.
    Well some pictures of the inside. Point gap 0.9MM or 0.035in.
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    I like those new points, it's a huge improvement.
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    My quote: Problem I have and would change on the 2013- 250EX the 220volt for the water cooler should be hooked up to the main switch to turn the 220 volt pump on when the welder is turned on.
    My fix since I had to open the case to take pictures of the HF. So this worked just fine now on weld on water cooler.
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    could you show a couple pics of the torches that come with it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnson View Post
    could you show a couple pics of the torches that come with it?
    I do not know if I will ever use it, I got a Weld-Craft WP18-25 water cooled and CS300-25 air cooled and CS310-25 water cooled all new with many spare parts for the torches but I am waiting for a CK liner amp-control for my other torches I use tig handle amp controllers all my welding life so foot pedals are out but have them just in case the amp controller get damaged it is a backup. All this is on top of the Everlast tig torches I got.
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    nice pics. my 250ex should be here tomorow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rambozo View Post
    I take it that is the torch switch plug. Does the foot pedal plug do any arcing? (I would guess not.)

    My guess is that you have a HF leak inside the torch cable, probably near the switch. I would look for where that is and insulate it. It can't be good for the welder to get HF leakage into the control circuits. I'm surprised that is hasn't caused a problem. Must be built pretty tough.
    Problem fixed take out all the pins that are not used the factory torch dose not have them that comes with the machine little heat shrink now know more arcing.
    This is a picture of what it is now from Duncan Everlast Canada
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    Kempy, just to be as clear as possible. So you took the wires off the plug from the inside of the machine. And the plug was the "connector" jack going out to the pedal? Did you find out if the other wires did anything, or why they are there? I pick up my machine from UPS tomorrow and want to make sure if it's broke I know how to fix it right. Thanks - Ryan

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