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    Excellent points. I forgot about the foot pedal. So when you're running pedal, is the setting the base current, and when you step on the pedal the current increases, or do you set the pedal at some position (off, middle or floored) and then set the current? I suppose it's the latter.

    Picked up some cutoff pieces of 16 ga or thereabouts steel scraps at the local metal supplier to practice on first. And I have plenty of aluminum and might work on that as Jody suggests doing to learn how to get the hang TIGing. Looking forward to this. Been welding MIG for 10 years and stick for longer than that. Moving from stick to MIG was a life-changing experience. I expect having full control of heat, metal deposition and travel speed with TIG will be equally life-changing.

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    You want to set the welding machine higher on amps than you think you need. I think they say you want the amperage you will be welding at to be at around 3/4 pedal so you have a little headroom incase it's needed. Really I just set it close and see what happens.
    I got in the habit in school to set the max close to what I need and then just mash the pedal to weld(which sort of defeats the purpose of the pedal), But I can still lower the heat if needed when welding that way.
    NOW, I rarely use the pedal, even on Aluminum. I just set the amps. and control the heat with my speed. I'm usually in a funny position and getting to the foot pedal is tricky.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slartybartfa View Post
    Excellent points. I forgot about the foot pedal. So when you're running pedal, is the setting the base current, and when you step on the pedal the current increases, or do you set the pedal at some position (off, middle or floored) and then set the current? I suppose it's the latter.

    Picked up some cutoff pieces of 16 ga or thereabouts steel scraps at the local metal supplier to practice on first. And I have plenty of aluminum and might work on that as Jody suggests doing to learn how to get the hang TIGing. Looking forward to this. Been welding MIG for 10 years and stick for longer than that. Moving from stick to MIG was a life-changing experience. I expect having full control of heat, metal deposition and travel speed with TIG will be equally life-changing.
    The panel setting is your max current and the pedal will take you from zero to that max setting.
    Steel is more forgiving so it's a good place to start. Aluminum has more character and more gotcha's but it will make you a better welder in all metals. I think you get a better feel for the puddle in aluminum, and it's usually bigger and easier to see, as well.
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    Well the machine works fine. But the welder ought to be fired for incompetence.

    First, was burning up electrodes. Something was really wrong. Balled up the 1/16" 1.5% lanthanated electrode three times all the way back to the collet holder in seconds. Was only running 60 A. Had plenty of argon. Checked the settings, then saw the ground was positive. Shoulda' been running DCEN, not DCEP. DUH!

    Then reset everything and got a decent arc, electrode tip glowing nicely, but awfully hard to see 'cause reading glasses under my helmet just don't have the magnification I need to see the tiny arc in the dim light with pupils dilated. Need to find some cheater lenses so I can see. DUH!

    Then I grabbed a steel filler rod and played with dipping in the puddle. It sure didn't act like it did on Jody's videos. Kept trying, but puddle didn't form, or did only briefly but wouldn't fuse with the base metal. Was thinking that Jody guy is a fair dinkum welder for sure. I shoulda' got that Hobart Iron Man 190 with spool gun and stayed with what I know (MIG). This is going to be more of a challenge than I had thought. So I shut off after cooling down, turned off the gas, then looked at my work. Y'know, that piece of 14 ga sheet metal I found in the cutoff bin at the supplier sure is bright. . . no mill scale at all on it. And, now that I can see it in good light, it has a brushed apearance. I've never seen brushed mild steel. Could it be? Tried a magnet and it grabbed, but only weakly. Ok, I think I know what's going on. Ground an edge on the bench grinder and sure enough, it sparked weakly, too and it was too hard for carbon steel. 304 stainless someone dropped in the mild steel cutoff bin. DUH!

    Geez, I really need to get better glasses.

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    60 Amps would be a little weak for 14 ga. so that getting a good puddle would be tough. I would dial in a little more on the panel. I usually dial in about what the tungsten can handle then use the pedal to control the final current. So for 1/16" I would go 90 or 100 amps. Being able to see is a real requirement for TIG. I have a real strong cheater lens in my helmet, and often wear reading glasses to boot! When I was young I was always in the habit of being real close to the weld to see the fine details and I miss that. Another good thing about using a foot pedal is that you can start the arc with super low current and wait for your eyes to acclimate to welding light without melting anything or having wire feed out like a MIG. Then when you're ready, lean in on the pedal to get the party started.

    You can go ahead and practice with your stainless scraps. Just like you can use stainless filler on mild steel, you can use ER70S2 on stainless. They will fuse together nicely, just don't be surprised when it rusts.
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    Ok, I wasn't using the pedal, just the button on the torch. If I should be able to get a good bead on stainless, I'll bump up the current and give it another try. Just want to get some practice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slartybartfa View Post
    Ok, I wasn't using the pedal, just the button on the torch. If I should be able to get a good bead on stainless, I'll bump up the current and give it another try. Just want to get some practice.
    I would really recommend using the pedal. You will learn faster, what the effects of too much and too little current are. At first glance you might think it complicates things, but in actuality it makes the welding such simpler. You will not be confined to one travel speed and you can really learn a lot more. After that you can go to a torch switch, and you will know right away if you have the current set right. Right now you are guessing. Think of it like this. Which is easier, setting your car's gas pedal to what you think will be 65 MPH while the engine is off, then starting it up and seeing how fast it goes? Or just pressing on the pedal while driving until you hit 65? Not to mention that you can make adjustments for hills and things.
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