Everlast 210EXT review and pictures

[todmorg]

After a phone discussion with Oleg about the 250EXT situation, he offered to send me a 210EXT to use until the 250 situation is straightened out. He also asked if I would post a few photos and my thoughts on the welder. ( I think most of you know that if a welder is not working correct, I will be the first one to bitch about it ). On a side note, I think the new board will be here later this week for the 250EXT, I will post as soon as it shows up.

The 210EXT is much smaller than the 250EXT, it's even smaller than the 250EX.

The case has been brought up to a higher standard, it uses machined screws with captive washers and nutserts in the chassis, the screws are a nice quality black oxide, and the holes line up like they should ( this is a small detail, but it shows that they are working to bring the standards to a higher level ).

The 210EXT is MUCH MUCH quieter than my 250EX or my 250EXT, I have been told the fans may change slightly to bring the duty cycle up from the 35% on the welder I have here to 40% on the production models, but it should still be very quiet.

The foot pedal works like it should, it is a different design than the other Everlast pedals, and it seems pretty nice. It has a smooth metal top, I would probably but some non slip on it and a hook for you heel for easy positioning.

The torch is an air cooled WP26 ( i think ) with a amp control knob on the side. The amp control works just as good as the pedal, it controls amperage down to about 5 or 6% of the control panel setting. I am not a finger amp control guy, so I will not go into detail on the control, except to say that the knob could be a little bigger for traction and fine adjustability. The torch is kind of big and heavy, but it is a gas cooled torch, so you have to expect that, If I was using it alot, i would get a WP9 for light work and keep the heavy torch for when you need more amperage.

I thought we had a problem with the welder having too harsh of a light off, it seemed like it was lighting at about 35-40 amps no matter where you set the controls, after quick E-mail to the factory we found out there is a sub-menu with more adjustability, here is a copy---


In the second menu,have 10 channels
D01: Vacant
D02 ：High voltage stricking ARC time :0.5-2S
D03: High voltage stricking ARC frequency :10-100HZ
D04: DC High voltage stricking ARC current :10-100A
D05 :AC high voltage stricking ARC current :15A-100A
D06: Vacant
D07: AC DC LIFT starting ARC current :10A-100A
D08: For Adjust the fingertip AMP control TORCH."00" --4T power off ;"01"-- 4T is on
D09:For adjut the VRD ."00":VRD is ON ;"01"VRD is OFF
D10: For the AC Pulse selection. "00" means single Pulse ,only AC ;"01" means double Pulse .

Attention :
1)D08: "00" is for normal torch or called non fingertip AMP control TORCH, means when you are using an non fingertip AMP control torch for the machine ,first need enter the channel D08, and set "00",then you can switch 2T to 4T ;if you use fingertip AMP control torch ,must set as "01",if not the machine will detect and switch to 2T by itself ,Some peopeo dont know this function ,they think our machine has problems .
2).D09 :"00" mean Voltage less than 24V; "01" means Voltage more than 67V

3) D10: Under Double Pulse ,the peak value is AC ,base value is DC.
Double pulse mainly used for thin sheet welding ,with Double pulse ,the thin sheet not easy to get bent while welding .


So after a few adjustment I was able to get the start amperage down to a very low level for thin material, but still have the option of raising the amperage for sure starts on heavy, dirty, cold metal. ( pretty neat option ).

The control panel is very small compared to the 250EXT, larger, bolder, brighter lettering would be a good thing on the printed parts, the LED's are very easy to see. The control works different than the 250EXT, and it seems to have a little more of a learning curve, but once you get the hang of it, it's very easy to use and does everything it's supposed to do.

I haven't used the welder at every setting, but I have used a lot of the settings, so far I have not been able to spot any problems, the only limitation i have found is that AC pulsing caps out at 10HZ, but the DC pulse which is more important to me goes to 500HZ.

The welder feels strong and smooth, it feels just as smooth as the 250EXT ( once you get a flame established with the 250 ), it does not have the top end grunt of the 250 for puddling heavy aluminum castings, but up to 1/4" is no problem.

The 210 did not come with ground cable, regulator, consumables, or instruction manual, so I cannot comment on those items, but I'm sure they will be included with the production models.

I will keep using the 210, and keep pushing its limits to see if I can find any problems. So far it's doing everything it's supposed to do, and doing it very well.

[kenwhite]

I hope your 250 works as well once you get the new board

[srp]

Is there a place on the forum that has all the options and specs on the 210EXT and 250EXT?

[Oleg]

Is there a place on the forum that has all the options and specs on the 210EXT and 250EXT?

Srp

we will update the site in a week with all specs

[redbeard]

Like that sub menu, now if we could only have the cajones of the 250 AND the apparently awesome programming of the 210....

What microprocessor does it have?

Is the footpedal impedance the same as the 250?

[todmorg]

Like that sub menu, now if we could only have the cajones of the 250 AND the apparently awesome programming of the 210....

What microprocessor does it have?

Is the footpedal impedance the same as the 250?

The pedal looks like a 1k, the 250's are 50K.

I'm not sure what the processor is, this welder is built very compact and clean, there are very few wires, it looks like most of the connections are ribbon cables. I haven't been able to locate the processor. I haven't been able to locate the point gap either, I'm not sure if it's under a cover or if it may be gapless????

There are 3 waveforms, I will try them more over the weekend.

The 210 may have a few more adjustments, but the 250 still has the bias control ( I really like the bias ).

The feeling I get for the welders is, if your looking for a portable that can do almost anything, the 210EXT is a pretty nice choice ( there is even a quick coupling on the gas inlet for portability). If you are looking for a heavy duty stationary unit that has lots of power, lots of adjustment and water cooling the 250EXT will be the ticket once the last bugs are ironed out.

[67cudafb]

Todd thanks for sharing your review of the 210ext. Oleg is a real smart man to get you to test and review this welder. I am glad to see that Everlast is always improving the quality of their products. Hope they get your 250ext straightened out. Nice shop by the way looks like you can build just about anything.

[Titan winch]

Todd thanks for sharing your review of the 210ext. Oleg is a real smart man to get you to test and review this welder. I am glad to see that Everlast is always improving the quality of their products. Hope they get your 250ext straightened out. Nice shop by the way looks like you can build just about anything.

These units have been under testing and reveiw here for a lot longer than just a day with Todd.
The actaull Testing and evaluation is being performed by a very competant and well known personality who has been working closely with us on this project. The Welder Todd has received has the latest tweeks done to it and should be the actual production unit that will be coming of the line.
On this project there has been actually very little involvement from the usual chanells ( and to be honest it has gone very smoothly ) from the initiall start up last spring when we first scheduled our first factory visit to start this project.
Cheers
Duncan

[67cudafb]

Duncan I was not implying that this welder was not tested by you and the others involved in its build I know you guys are little sensitive after the problems with the 250ext and I am glad to see the inprovement in the quality of the welders you sell I just thought Todd was a good choice for for the first public unit to review nothing more than that I don't quite get what you me about the usual channels sorry if I pissed you off

[Titan winch]

I am sorry if it seemed that i came off being somewhat antaganistic , just put it down to the type of day it was,
By usuall chanells i simply mean some personell have been bypassed in favour of using a outside source that we and actually most people have a lot of respect for we thought this would be a great help in ensuring we have what Todd currently has today .
As for Todd getting one of the models that arrived yesterday i am in complete agreement with this. In addition i would like to see even more involvement from Todd with this unit .
I for one hope to see more from Todd in the upcoming weeks as he is i believe well versed in all aspects of his trade , and even though i have only spent a short time talking to him i can see he knows what he is talking about .
There are still some details to take care of and as Todd has mentioned the unit came to him with no Accesories or at least not all. The torch mentioned may not necessarily be the final option and we still need to get a few other bits and pieces together
Cheers

[zoama]

So how long before Jody gets the videos up ?

[Titan winch]

So how long before Jody gets the videos up ?

Now you are just speculating on this Zoama and this is how rumours get started , first one post and then someone else posts up and the next thing you know the Queen even had a hand in working on it.

Actually Oleg is discussing possibly seeing if Todd might be possibly agree to doing some Videos for us.

[zoama]

Now you are just speculating on this Zoama and this is how rumours get started , first one post and then someone else posts up and the next thing you know the Queen even had a hand in working on it.

Actually Oleg is discussing possibly seeing if Todd might be possibly agree to doing some Videos for us.

Yeah I'm just speculating, but Jody is a "very competent and well known personality" who sells lots of Everlast welders through his videos.

[DVA]

Yeah I'm just speculating, but Jody is a "very competent and well known personality" who sells lots of Everlast welders through his videos.

I think they should send a 250 EXT to Jody to try out. I hope the issues are sorted out soon, too bad the other fourm is closed.

[jakeru]

Todd - do the Everlast 210EXT adjustment ranges and specs, from what you can tell, match those advertised for this R-tech Digital 210 unit?
http://www.r-techwelding.co.uk/weldi...ries_210A_ACDC
(For example, is the minimum AC current setting 10 amps as advertised for the R-Tech?_

PS - I noticed that the R-tech advertises "electronic HF", (which implies there may be no spark gap.)

The user interface of the R-tech also sure seems pretty similar to the Everlast 210EXT.

Thanks for the detailed review and info! (And please keep it coming, as you use the machine and learn more about it!)

[Oleg]

Jake

You right .. 210ext made to our specs and by same factory as makes RTECH units . Factory had to modify the unit few times before Todd got the final version



Oleg Gladshteyn
Oleg@everlastwelders.com
415 613 664 cell
650 588 8588 work

[srp]

After seeing the specs on the R-tech, I hope the Everlast version has the 10 to 90 AC balance and the .2 pulse like their high end tig (250EX) does. After being stuck at 68% electrode negative on the Syncrowave most all my life. Those are make or break options for me and are the very options that sold me on Everlast. The thing that made me fall in love with the Dynasty was being able to use low frequency, and still be able to focus the arc down to be super stable at low amperage's by the AC balance. With that being said, its easy to see why I like the 185 micro so much and then factor in it will run on 110, makes it a home-run in my book.

[Geco]

Will the 210EXT be available for the Australian market?

[todmorg]

Todd - do the Everlast 210EXT adjustment ranges and specs, from what you can tell, match those advertised for this R-tech Digital 210 unit?
http://www.r-techwelding.co.uk/weldi...ries_210A_ACDC
(For example, is the minimum AC current setting 10 amps as advertised for the R-Tech?_

PS - I noticed that the R-tech advertises "electronic HF", (which implies there may be no spark gap.)

The user interface of the R-tech also sure seems pretty similar to the Everlast 210EXT.

Thanks for the detailed review and info! (And please keep it coming, as you use the machine and learn more about it!)

I think the specs are the same, I havent been able to get onto R-Tech's website for about a week ( cannot connect? ) so I am not positive if it's the same

I get the feeling it may be gapless HF, it should be fairly easy to do, a few years ago we were messing around with transormers from oil funaces to generate the spark on a DC scratch start tig.

I'll be getting into some aluminum this weekend, I will post more info.

I really think Duncan and the others involved in the design and testing of this welder did a great job.

[todmorg]

After seeing the specs on the R-tech, I hope the Everlast version has the 10 to 90 AC balance and the .2 pulse like their high end tig (250EX) does. After being stuck at 68% electrode negative on the Syncrowave most all my life. Those are make or break options for me and are the very options that sold me on Everlast. The thing that made me fall in love with the Dynasty was being able to use low frequency, and still be able to focus the arc down to be super stable at low amperage's by the AC balance. With that being said, its easy to see why I like the 185 micro so much and then factor in it will run on 110, makes it a home-run in my book.

I did not recieve a manual with this welder, so I am not exactly sure on the balance control. It goes from -30 to +30, which would imply 20-80 balance. It gets you well into the range of being able to use a pointed tungsten on aluminum.

I know Oleg was going to check with the factory on a couple of things on the ranges and settings, .2 or even .1 may be do-able on the pulse, It's not every day you need a 10 second pulse rate, but there may be times when it would be handy.

Edit: Another really cool option with this welder is that you can set the pulsing so it cycles from AC on the high side of the pulse to DC on the low side of the pulse. I will try these settings this weekend also, and see what effect these settings have on thin aluminum. It's pretty wierd to listen to in use, buzz-smooth-buzz-smooth......