Everlast 210EXT review and pictures

[Judgeless]

If you have the version where it allows you to set start amps in 2T then you don't have the version that blocks you from setting start amperage in 2T. The hidden menu programming for 4T also changed somewhat how the unit behaved in 2T, though I can't remember other than it was for one type of amp control with a built in switch that started the arc when the amperage was applied and one was for a separate switch to start the arc.

I have a version that does not let me set the start and final Amps in 2T mode.

Is there a hidden menu option to change this?

The main reason I purchased the Everlast 210EXT was because I can control Preflow, Start Amps, Start Slope, Main Amps, Final Slope, Final Amp and Post flow.



I just took a one week class at Lincoln Electric and we used all those steps in 2T mode. How can I use these with my 210EXT? Can I send my unit back to get fixed so it supports this standard features?

If you tell me the settings in 4T mode apply when I am in 2T mode I can live with that flaw.

[performance]

No. There is no hidden menu feature.
Your unit is not broke. The 4T settings do not apply when in 2T mode.

Again, forget everything you know about the Lincoln. You didn't buy a Lincoln. Just because it doesn't have those steps doesn't mean there is something wrong with it. 2T basically is for ON/OFF operation( and you find the same thing in other brands as well) that is all you can adjust. IF you want to use those steps, then quite simply use 4T. You are missing the point here, in that you can control all those features still, in 4T mode. It is actually better and easier to use to control heat. You do not have to hold the button on the torch down. The bonus of using 4T is that you release the trigger to upslope and weld. To downslope, press and hold the trigger, and then release to terminate the arc. This way no finger is required to keep pressure on the switch while welding. You can concentrate on your hand positioning, rather than cramping your finger.

2T mode is designed for use originally with those functions in mind because it was set up primarily for use with hand amptrols that had a seperate On/off switch and the amps were adjusted independently. It was changed so that the hand amp control like CK's with a built in on off switch when you rotate through. Having these functions interferes with the operation of this type control. And this type control is far more popular than the other type with a separate switch. Why would you want to have an arc flash "swell" at the end after the arc has been tapered down to 0? This would be the effect if downslope or end amps was programmed with a CK type amptrol...thus (in part) the reason for the change. Again, use 4T. That allows you better control with less fatigue if you are using torch switch only. If you are using a foot pedal, these are moot points. Your V205T doesn't feature advanced pulse, or adjustable HF frequency or the same wave form setup or adjustable HF frequency. They aren't the same units, not even close, and to expect them to mirror Lincoln, is not reasonable. Millers do not either.

IF you are looking for a "hot start" that Lincoln uses, this is similar to the transfer amps that we have. You can set it up to hot start at a high amp to kick the puddle into gear.

[Judgeless]

No. There is no hidden menu feature.
Your unit is not broke. The 4T settings do not apply when in 2T mode.

Again, forget everything you know about the Lincoln. You didn't buy a Lincoln. Just because it doesn't have those steps doesn't mean there is something wrong with it. 2T basically is for ON/OFF operation( and you find the same thing in other brands as well) that is all you can adjust.

2T mode is designed for use originally with those functions in mind because it was set up primarily for use with hand amptrols that had a seperate On/off switch and the amps were adjusted independently. It was changed so that the hand amp control like CK's with a built in on off switch when you rotate through. Having these functions interferes with the operation of this type control. And this type control is far more popular than the other type with a separate switch. Why would you want to have an arc flash "swell" at the end after the arc has been tapered down to 0? This would be the effect if downslope or end amps was programmed with a CK type amptrol...thus (in part) the reason for the change. Again, use 4T. That allows you better control with less fatigue if you are using torch switch only. If you are using a foot pedal, these are moot points. Your V205T doesn't feature advanced pulse, or adjustable HF frequency or the same wave form setup or adjustable HF frequency. They aren't the same units, not even close, and to expect them to mirror Lincoln, is not reasonable. Millers do not either.

I will post this question on other welding forums like weldingweb because I do not believe you are giving me the facts. I know it is not a Lincoln V205T or a Miller Dynasty 200. I live in North America and those two units are the most popular. Both those units support start Amps and End Amps in 2T mode. It seems that half the 210EXT unit’s support start Amps and End Amps in 2T mode. I got a bad unit and will do whatever it takes to get it fixed.

Are you telling me that this illustration is wrong?



We learned in Lincoln welding school that you set the End AMPs to avoid fish eye or crater crack. Is this something they just made up?

[everlastsupport]

Judgeless,

On most units, normally, 2T is an on and off function as Mark (performance) said. 0 amps to your max set amps when you press, and then max amps to 0 amps when you release. If you want to avoid the crater at the end, I normally use post flow and run extra gas at the end of my weld. Do not pull away when you let off the trigger, let it gas off on the end of the weld. You'll be happy with the results. 4T allows you to ramp up, hold a max current, and them ramp down. So use that if you want to do what the diagram you posted states.

I have a 210EXT and a 255EXT. If you have any questions with the 210EXT, you can all in and hit my extension and I can help with the unit. I like the 210ext. I like the 255 but the 210 is easier for me to setup.

On the defaults, you can set up what you want and save it is position 1 and make it anything you need.

[performance]

You learned how to operate a Lincoln. Did they show you how to use 3T or 4T or any in between type operation that OTHER companys offer on their units? Lincoln doesn't offer 3T, but Miller does. We offer a different variation. IF you want to be able to control the slope and start amps etc, then, use 4T.

[zoama]

I will post this question on other welding forums like weldingweb because I do not believe you are giving me the facts. I know it is not a Lincoln V205T or a Miller Dynasty 200. I live in North America and those two units are the most popular. Both those units support start Amps and End Amps in 2T mode. It seems that half the 210EXT unit’s support start Amps and End Amps in 2T mode. I got a bad unit and will do whatever it takes to get it fixed.

Are you telling me that this illustration is wrong?



We learned in Lincoln welding school that you set the End AMPs to avoid fish eye or crater crack. Is this something they just made up?

I think this will be much simpler if you explain why you don't want to use 4t if it does exactly what you want.

[performance]

I would add that on some of their TIG units, Lincoln offers reduced features too, such as their Precision TIG...does that make them wrong when you use the torch switch to only offer downslope?

[RichardH]

I think this will be much simpler if you explain why you don't want to use 4t if it does exactly what you want.

I'm scratching my head wondering the same thing. I suppose if you wanted 4T behavior but *wanted* to have to hold the button down? But that would be something different than 2T ("enhanced 2T"?).

I wouldn't expect 2T to ramp up/down, and in fact I know a guy who managed to get his welder into a mode like that when his pedal was plugged in, and the ramping + pedal control = chaos. So, I don't see it as a good thing in most cases.