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    Default Probably-whether to repair it?

    I have friends which are fond stuntriding
    Оne of these days they brought to me the motor from (DUCATI) with the broken fastenings, and plaintively asked me everything to repair.
    Guys any thoughts, councils






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    The PP256 should be able to weld it. Is it cast aluminum?
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    the same engine, the same Ducati








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    The gas mask is a unique addition, I like it. Nice work.

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    That's a cool looking bike! Very unique! I can't believe you were able to fix the motor! You never know until you try.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zoama585 View Post
    The gas mask is a unique addition, I like it. Nice work.

    Противогаз является уникальным Кроме того, мне это нравится. Хорошая работа.
    zoama although the proposal I understood without translation, all the same thanks for the translation (very pleasantly)
    the gas mask looks even better when the headlight is included

    Quote Originally Posted by SeanMurphy265 View Post
    ..... You never know until you try.
    it is precisely noticed (зачет)
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    muy buen trabajo , se ve muy bien su ducati
    very good job, it looks great her ducati
    очень хорошая работа, это выглядит здорово ее Ducati

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    I'd throw it over the hill.

    If I were going to attempt a repair, I think I would split the cases, do a complete teardown, then machine off the mount.
    I would then machine a tube with an undersized hole (so that it would not take quite as much heat as a solid bar) and try to weld the new tube in. Then re-machine the hole.
    Tell them it will be at least 15000 RUB to do the job. If that doesn't scare them off, have at it.
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    It could be done. You have some parts that look like you'll need to be careful about overheating nearby. Controlling the heat soaked into those parts, will slow down the repair, but it still can be done. But you could either "vee" out the crack and re-attach the broken piece, or just build up the missing metal with filler rod and machine it down to desired surfaces afterward, (or more likely a combination of both) using AC-TIG. Either way, make sure there is no dirt or grease at the surfaces you are welding before you start joining the metal together. Check for clean surfaces with a light AC-TIG arc - when it leaves behind a white etched, surface everywhere, it means it will weld cleanly. Black crusty surface anywhere = clean those areas some more before you start welding.

    -edit- check out the below threads, which may be useful for this work:

    Using filler rod to "build up" a broken off aluminum casting:
    http://www.everlastgenerators.com/fo...nt)-jakeru-s-9
    http://www.everlastgenerators.com/fo...-TIG-build-up)

    Repairing a cracked aluminum casting:
    http://www.everlastgenerators.com/fo...r-(jakeru-s-5)

    Limiting heat to a nearby heat sensitive area:
    http://www.everlastgenerators.com/fo...e-with-He-mix)
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    Quote Originally Posted by sportbike View Post
    I'd throw it over the hill.

    If I were going to attempt a repair, I think I would split the cases, do a complete teardown, then machine off the mount.
    I would then machine a tube with an undersized hole (so that it would not take quite as much heat as a solid bar) and try to weld the new tube in. Then re-machine the hole.
    Tell them it will be at least 15000 RUB to do the job. If that doesn't scare them off, have at it.
    Thanks sportbike,jakeru
    I told them approximately the same(but they speak that engine dismantling is a full ###)
    from friends I don't take money,It is necessary to strain and create a miracle
    I think to weld the broken out piece and to strengthen it an edge from aluminum,and to the place of a missing piece to turn the aluminum bushing, to cut it lengthwise and to try to adjust a half to a relief of a missing piece and weld all
    Tomorrow I will start to conjure
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    Много фотографий пожалуйста.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zoama585 View Post
    Много фотографий пожалуйста.
    Ок
    (Good Russian)
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    This is weird. When I first commented there were no pictures, but I see them now and no edit on the post. Something is up with my other computer.

    Anyway. You can make the repair. But if they are friends (free or cheap). Either pass on it, or make them help with the repair. It will be some work, Jake outlined what you need to do. Note what he said on the black is bad.
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    Amazing work (again!) The original destruction was difficult to look at. Looked like it could not be repaired. Fine repair job and I love the look of the bike. Would have been a real shame to throw away the bike after the crash so you have done a very good favor for your friend. Cheers!
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    Great explanation Rusian.

    I can understand everything that you write. Google Translator is an excellent tool



    Великий объяснений Rusian

    Я могу понять все, что вы пишете. Google Переводчик является отличным инструментом
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    Quote Originally Posted by sportbike View Post
    Great explanation Rusian.

    I can understand everything that you write. Google Translator is an excellent tool



    Великий объяснений Rusian

    Я могу понять все, что вы пишете. Google Переводчик является отличным инструментом
    Sportbike thanks.
    I am very glad that all clearly.
    To me sometimes it is not absolutely clear that translates Google, have to strain a brain
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    Quote Originally Posted by donor76 View Post
    Sportbike thanks.
    I am very glad that all clearly.
    To me sometimes it is not absolutely clear that translates Google, have to strain a brain
    I use this service http://translation2.paralink.com/Rus...h-Translation/ with the "compare" function to see the results of other services. My actual Russian speech is very basic... still learning.

    Edit: Here is a direct link to the compare service with "back translation" http://imtranslator.net/compare/russ...lation/#window
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    Looks good. Is that a piece of fuel injection rail that you used for the repair piece on the left side

    Did you use your Powerpro 256 welder on this?

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    Very nice job. Get a little dirt and grease on there and I bet you almost can not tell it was repaired.

    Is the motor pinned on the frame? I do not see threads and not a bike guy? Or does a pin go all the way through?

    Good question from John, did you use the PP256? 4043?
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    Quote Originally Posted by everlastsupport View Post
    Very nice job. Get a little dirt and grease on there and I bet you almost can not tell it was repaired.

    Is the motor pinned on the frame? I do not see threads and not a bike guy? Or does a pin go all the way through?

    Good question from John, did you use the PP256? 4043?
    Ducati's use a 10mm bolt that runs the whole way through the frame and engine.
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