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I really need a machine that is capable of running on 110V. I am looking to trade my older 250EX for a Powertig 185. I'd only want to trade the boxes straight up. I don't have any need for anything else. I am located in the NYC/NNJ area, but can and will travel a good ways to trade in person, but I wouldn't mind shipping, either.
I can be contacted via email (beaverbuilds@gmail.com) if you are interested.
Your first post if you were to sell the 250EX what are you looking for out of it and Welcome to the forum.
Hmmm . . . I thought I had posted some back when I first joined the forum just prior to my initial purchase of the 250EX, which as you can see was in 2011. Thanks for the welcome.
If I were to sell it, I'd like to get $900 plus the cost of shipping. Basically, the price of a 185DV. If that is too much to ask, that's fine, but I am basically not wanting to come out of pocket too much to end up with a TIG box I can use more frequently; the 185DV being the perfect basic box for my needs. I really do love the simple adjustability of the 250EX for fine tuning the AC arc for the fix-it work I do, but, again, it isn't really necessary and right now I value doing more versus having to wait to get things stuck together.
I think you'd probably get more than that out of it. But I'd put it at 1300 or better. You could then get the 200DV. This would give you extra power, and also give you the pulse and stuff. Prices do seem to hold on these units pretty well, so I'd look into listing it on Ebay. Start the bidding 500.00 and put your reserve at 900, then see what you can get.
I didn't know they help their value that well. The thing is I'd rather have a simpler machine I can use more often. I figured this kind of deal might appeal to someone more than just trying to sell it, as I generally prefer to barter.
Thanks for the helpful information!
They do. Many cases of units reaching high values on Ebay and locally. The 200DV is a simpler unit but offers dual voltage and better duty cycle.
That is certainly encouraging.
I really like the 200DX. I'll get my box up on ebay and see how it does. If it does pull in most of $1k, I'd gladly drop the bit extra for the 200DX.
Thanks for getting back to me.
You're welcome. Thanks for the interest.
I finally got the auction set up on ebay if anyone wants to take a peak:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/2011-Everlas...item2ed67dc9f9
Wouldn't hurt to blow off the dust before photographing. ;) It does look in great shape. Good luck on your sale.
You are absolutely correct. However, I didn't take the photos, as the box is currently in the basement of a friend's house.
Thanks! I also hope the sale goes well. I'd like to get practicing to pass some pipe tests.
I think the mistake in that was that you put a "buy it now" price. That usually puts a damper on sales as people already suspect the reserve price and aren't willing to bid. Part of the fun is getting it a 990.00 not 1000.00
I usually prefer buy it now on ebay. You might be right, though. If it doesn't sell, I'll change that and a few other things and re-list it.
Thanks!
IMHO, for what ever that's worth.... ;)
You're expecting WAY TOO Much for it. I know the "company line" here is to tell you it's worth 75-80% of the original purchase price but In REALITY, you have to consider from the purchaser side not what They want to foster in owner confidence (if Everlast actually had That kind of confidence they would extend the warranty to the second owner instead of taking the opportunity to get out of it)
So you have a $1400 machine that's several years old and missing $300 worth of accessories (Torch/Ground/Stinger/Pedal/Regulator/etc.) and the $100 shipping. PLUS compared to a New one, the 5yr Warranty (I'm gonna put $200 on that). This means that NO ONE, with any sense, would spend $1000, add the $600 missing to it, to have a Used welder for what they could have gotten a New one for!
To ME, USED is worth 1/2 of NEW. Otherwise it doesn't make sense to take the chance and lose a warranty. With your missing stuff I think the "Reserve Not Met" of $600 is top-of-the-Mark.
You should immediately contact the dope who was going to spend $1000 (shipped) and take his money and RUN :D By the time he gets what he'll need, he's foolish to pay that much.
A few years back I bought a PP256, less than a yr old that the guy wanted $1,200 for. I said it was worth $800 to me (1/2 of new) he said NO but I could come over and look at it. When I saw that the Torch & Pedal had never been used (he had just done some Plasma Cutting). Before he invested in Argon he gave Tig welding a try and decided it wasn't for him and wanted out. I called Everlast to see if I could extend, even Purchase, the warranty but they were adamant about it. I was out-of-luck and the Seller was going to have to give me a substantial discount to account for it.... :(
We settled on $900
That's mostly what I was expecting, except it just sold at my reserve price of $900, plus shipping.
I think it is worth that much, and someone else did, too. It is only worth what people are willing to pay, even if others consist it too much or too little.
I'm just waiting to get paid at this point. That's always a gamble on ebay, I know, but, that's the chance one takes when selling something online.
Once the money clears, I'll have to decide if I'll just but the 185DV or put in the extra money for the 200DV.
Thanks for everyone's help and feedback! :)
Blaster, in Reality, I don't think you'be kept track of our units. But I've kept watch over dozens of sales of our products online and even helped resell a few. I've seen consistently good returns for the customer when resales take place. They sell well and sell high. 900 isn't bad. I think you would have seen more for it as I think the mistake was to post the buy it now price. But it appears to be sold. I get calls all the time for someone looking for a used or refurb unit...People have budgets, and to get something within it, is a good deal if it gets them what they want...even if it is used.
Looks like the company "line" was right. And it has been several times before too. We have nothing to loose and eveything to gain here by giving a realistic thought based off our observations and understanding of the market. Giving the customer an inflated, unrealistic expectation in selling it when he is considering buying another unit AFTER he sells the old one, is not going to help us one little bit.
As far as extending the warranty, the original purchaser can call in and discuss the circumstances. It's no guarantee, but we have extended them for certain cases such as hardship etc. But Miller doesn't extend theirs either... on paper.
Well you got 90% of the buy it now price plus the shipping...and 65% of the rough purchase cost without the addons. If it had been another brand unit that you paid 2500.00 for, you might have had gotten a higher percentage back, but lost more money in the end. Or who knows...you may have gotten bout the same percentage loss and lost even more. I've seen slightly used Dynasty's sell for 1800.00 used. That would be well more than that.Quote:
Originally Posted by The_Beave
Come On guys,,,,, make sense of this for me (financial sense) that is...
This "Boob" pays $1000. He now has to buy everything else. You think $300 is wrong?
So now he's got $1300 into a used and what's worse, an unwarranteed, welder with an "unknown" history (I'm sure it's fine but, how can He be?) all to have saved himself just a couple of hundred bucks...
P. T. Barnum is smiling from the grave :D
The lack of accessories is what tips the balance to me. Your $300 is even a little light at current Everlast MSRP. If it was turnkey complete, I think the price would be ok. But obviously someone thought otherwise.
$129.00 Torch 26
$45.00 Regulator
$35.00 Ground lead
$49.00 Stick lead
$89.00 Pedal
$347.00 Total
Blaster,
There are multiple records of sales occurring of our products listed here on this forum by several customers themselves watching sales. Maybe you haven't seen them. But they retail high. Even broken/damaged units.
You are missing several parts of the equation and don't understand the economics of it. The reason resale is consistently high, is 1) Newer prices are going up. 2) To buy a TIG welder with 250amps anywhere for 1000.00 with features is impossible warranty or not. 3) Our boards and components are not expensive and in most cases the units are relatively inexpensive to fix by comparison...even if you could find a Miller Dyasty at 1000.00, it would be broken and out of warranty and take another 1000.00-1500.00 or more to fix it. so that gets back to its still a good value in peoples minds. Even if it has an issue a couple hundred will likely fix anything that is wrong with it, and it still beats out 1700.00 for a new 250EX...or a broken or out of warranty Dynasty for 1500.00 4) What it boils down is not necessarily the cost of a new versus old welder from Everlast, it can be for a person the difference between having no welder, or having a welder...regardless of brand...
You also don't take into account the fact that the guy may already own one or more Everlasts and is picking up a spare...or may already have the equipment he needs or wants to go with it if he is already in business and was just completing the package...or that he planned to "upgrade" all these components anyway with SSC or CK products. It could have also been a parent looking to start his kid off welding and let his kid pick up the "balance". There's all sorts of reasons I can think of that aren't that strained to think up.
Here's a 200DX well on its way to selling well too and its from a salvage facility it looks like: http://www.ebay.com/itm/PowerTIG-200...p2054897.l5660
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Originally Posted by performance
NONE of that answers the Question as to WHY anyone would trade $200 for a New Machine with a 5yr warranty.Quote:
Originally Posted by performance
I care Nothing about Miller (you keep wanting to compare Apples & Oranges) I'm saying that exact machine can be bought on eBay right now for another $200 (or less maybe with a "Best Offer") and Not doing that, I just can't imagine being the right choice.
You just have to agree that spending 12% More for Brand New & Warranteed makes sense to you too over years old/stripped/no coverage (or are really so into carrying the-company-water you can't admit that.....?) ;)
I'm pretty sure the original owner's accessories will fit and work with the 200DV but are they compatible with the 185DV ?
Blaster,
I cannot imagine why you are trying to be so confrontational. My answer does answer it...you just don't want to accept it. It's as if you don't want the welders to have much worth or value based off what you think you know and feel about the product in general. Obviously you are missing something.
You are in the position of arguing with the facts, the results as they were. I offered you an explanation, that has been turned over to me by people looking for units that are used or refurbished. I have talked to dozens if not hundreds of people over the last 5 years about this, and they all want the same thing. You can't imagine it in YOUR head, but plenty of people can and do understand. IF you have 1000.00 to spend and pay.... and that is all you have and you need something, you will spend the 1000...not 1100 dollars or 1001.00. Inci
You don't understand that people wanting to TIG and are not brand loyal and don't have a TIG see spending 1000.00 as a minor risk as opposed to buying the same machine for 1600.00 or more. This is a 250EX we are talking about. You will not be buying a NEW 250EX for 1200.00 or 1400.00 or 1600.00 if that is all you have to spend. (If you find one for 1200, or 1400.00 then it is not a legitimate retailer or a new unit). Offers are usually not accepted for less than 5% of full retail value...depending upon the unit IF they are accepted. Occasionally we accept slightly more if the unit is overstocked...but that is rare these days.
Some people will buy a unit and save up 6 months before they get more money to buy extra accessories. The purchaser may have already had the accessories....Why pay more for a back up unit if you already have all the accessories you need? There are many scenarios that make this make sense. You just can't swallow the reality so you are in denial I guess...Not sure what else to call it. 200.00 is not much to you but it is to a lot of people including me...which is almost my average power bill each month. I can think of a lot of things to do with that money.... So? I get it and it doesn't work? I'm out a couple hundred dollars more to get it fixed if it is out of warranty when I can afford it, and still won't be quite the cost of a new one. But buying from a guy who seems reputable and with him having already babysat it through the "buggy" period over when things are more likely to go wrong...it does make plenty of sense.
You see a unit on a link I posted at the 50% mark of the unit when it was brand new with 3 hours to go. If it stops there, then that is still a good deal IF it were from a individual, but this is from a salvage facility. So obviously the units have value, if nothing else as a backup, spare or parts machine. This unit has no accessories either.
Beave....for what it's worth, I've shipped several unit like this economically via US mail...With their shipping, tracking and insurance, you probably can ship coast to coast for the guy for 60.00 or so...just guessing from my experience.
I don't mean to be "confrontational", and I don't have Any kind of "wish" as to ANY welders value.Quote:
Originally Posted by performance
Lets' forget Welder and just say Widgets - how's that?
Does it make ANY sense to buy an old used widget with no warranty and have to spend 35% More on it to bring it within 12% of a New one?
Anything at all - TV - DVR - Oscilloscope - whatever?
I guess it just can't relate to someone who's got $1300 and not $1500 and, again, willing to give up so much to save the difference...Quote:
Originally Posted by performance
No EVERLAST 250EX - http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_odkw...:MEFSRCHX:SRCH $1484 OBOQuote:
Originally Posted by performance
Is there something illegitimate about the seller????
I guess I'll just NEVER understand the buyers logic. He's either really uninformed (but all he'd have to do is Search the rest of eBay) or he's so broke, as you say, the $200 is his breaking point. But really, TIG welding isn't for someone that "broke" - is it? :DQuote:
Originally Posted by performance
1484. is Closer to 1500.00 and with shipping over 1500.00. That's more than 200.00 difference in 1000.00 by my math. And probably more than that because shipping probably won't be that much if he goes USPS or is not all the way across the country. If he calls in and needs all those accessories, we can give him a package price break...or he may already have them. And we even have customers using them on CNC type equipment so the accessory thing may be moot to begin with.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blaster
As far as the comment about being broke...I've been there and can fully sympathize with someone's attempt to take a moderate gamble to get out of a hole financially. This may be something that can do it. I don't try to second guess someone on their decisions to try better themselves except for people trying to do a rebranded pyramid scheme.
Will the 250EX accessories that he kept work with the 200DV and the 185DV ?
Probably not without some tweaking. I think the DINSE size will be wrong, and maybe the pot in the pedal, too?Quote:
Originally Posted by zoama
Since the 185 is less than 200 amps, it does use the 25 series connectors. I think we may have some separate connectors available...but the new unit will come with that. The 185 "officially" can use either pot, but I think there is some slight difference in feel when starting at low amperages.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rambozo
Thanks for the shipping feedback. I'm going to box it up today after work and shop around for the best shipping deal. I'm still waiting to be paid. Fun.Quote:
Originally Posted by performance
I usually but used stuff. All my precision measuring tools are second hand. I don't buy new cars. I was watching that auction but decided against bidding as I haven't gotten paid for the one I'm selling yet. I'm aware I'll have to spend some money on new DINSE connectors and I will be paying for an SSC pedal, as, honestly, the Herman Munster pedal that came with the 250EX was really, really clunky, though it did work well enough for me to get work done.
*shrugs* I'll likely put the extra money into a new 200DV, as with the sale of this machine, the money I put into the new setup will be less than the cost of the 160STH I was considering buying just to knock out some simple stainless work I am behind on, but now I'll have everything I need in a package I can use much more often. That's all I want. I'm not a complicated dude most of the time.
That machine Sold 611.00...on a weekday. Not bad for a salvage store as an unknown, untested unit without any accessories. that sold for a little over 1000.00 to 1100 new.