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Trying to setup my new 185 Micro, I am getting an erratic arc that is not centralized at the tip of the tungsten, The tungsten also gets to hot.
Welds on Aluminum are not clean either they are black.Gas flow 5-7 lpm, have tried up to 10 lpm no help.Tried some mild steel same problem.Gas Flow seems good at the torch.I am going to check the torch for a lose hose.
What size tungsten are you using, and what are your settings? What thickness of material?
3/32 2% Lanthanated, 90 amps Fre 20 Balance 30
Frequency at 20? That would be erratic. Put it around 2-3 o'clock position.
I had worked my way up to that area on the setting and a little better, I will mess with this later this evening when it cools off.I checked the hose in the gun and line might of had a little kink in the argon hose from shipping i worked it out and seems like it is staying round. Just cracked the nozzle on my torch moving stuff around.Go check our welding parts inventory this afternoon for parts.
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Thanks for the Reply Mark
This welds a little different than a 40 year old Linde Machine.
Alot of teh machines we have are fixed at 60hz, non adjustable welding frequency. If you get it really low, it will dance. If you turn it up high, it pretty much focuses the arc, and makes teh sound a little annoying, but it shoudl stay very stable.
If you grind teh electrode in anything but the longitudinal direction or if you have too long of an arc length, it may wander around as well.
The kinked hose shouldn't matter much as it will just make make the pressure drop higher. If the flowmeter is showing flow, it should be flowing.
Lower frequency could possibly heat the tungsten up as well, since it doesn't shift the heat from EP as often...even if the balance is set right.
Had some nozzles in our welding supplies going to try it this evening. Had a guy that tigs everyday come by and try it he had no luck. I will give it a shot tonight and then later next week.
Thanks
Temp 107 F @ 6:54 pm
Going out after dark to start to pump water onto our water trailer and see if we can save some of our trees and garden. We have had less than .25 inches of rain since early June.
No luck same thing it comes and goes you can sometimes get that good sound as if it is a spray, but most of the time it is just a buzz sounds like a bee about the size of a large dog.
You cannot get any type of shine in the steel or puddle at all, i have tried to raise and lower the amps but no luck.
Material 3" od seamless .095 wall tube , new and clean, the best it will do is the arc just dances around and almost etches the top of the metal.
It shows a heat mark even on both sides but no puddle. Machine settings are in the picture.I added a picture of what the tig is doing and a gas weld i just did with a piece of cr?P wire.Attachment 7391Attachment 7392Attachment 7393
What kind of gas are you using?
Where did you get it?
I have to ask... Is the electrode Negative???? I have seen several make that mistake. Positive to the workpiece. Seems to go against my grain but from what I hear it will smoke a tungsten fast.Quote:
Originally Posted by cbmkr
Argon from Praxaire In North Kansas City Mo. ,Electrode is Neg, as shown in Manual, you go positive it will melt the Tungsten fast. Tried that.
I am leaning toward bad gas
Ah reread your post... Electrode neg... Correct. Wasn't sure you mentioned electrode was melting earlier.Quote:
Originally Posted by cbmkr
Just watched the everlast video on th 185 , There machine is setup exactly as mine is just welds the way it should, the sound is how it should be not jumpy like mine.
I am going to have to leave this for a while i am trying to go camping in Northern Iowa Southern Minnesota and play some Golf and have some cold ones.Need some RR and no 100 + Temps.
Freq @ 20 is low ... for aluminum I run my 200DX @ 100hz and balance around a 35% sometimes a little higher and have good luck ... of course mine is a completely different machine but I know it works well at those settings. If you are having the same problem with steel (DCEN) you might want to send a PM to support ... (feq and bal do not apply to DCEN).Quote:
Originally Posted by cbmkr
Noticed one thing last night when checking the gas flow, the noise it makes when trying to weld is there when you press the trigger, you can hear it inside the machine. It sounds like a contact is not staying closed and is just chattering from open to closed.
Might have found the problem, The HF points in the front,( look like a new style) are approx .060 apart and are not in line . They are mounted to a plastic bracket that looks like it is warped one is setting forward more than the other. For Sure not at .025 now way.
I will let the machine set and discharge then adjust and them see what happens.
That thought came to mind but I didn't mention it because points too far apart usually cause a hard start but when you get it going it will hold an arc ... but out of line? Yea that could be it. Jody (weldingtipsandtricks.com) had found some that were too far apart on an Everlast machine ... he reset them to .030 and that took care of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by cbmkr
That bluing on the pipe shows it is Stainless Steel, or steel and not aluminum! The way you were discussing it was that it was aluminum with the AC settings you gave. The settings of AC balance and frequency are moot. It doesn't matter if it's on DC. And you close to 70-80 amps at the least for .095...and of course DC.
HF point gaps would only affect it if you are not getting an arc transfer. They shut down after the start.
How far off are you holding your tungsten? Think about the tungsten coming about the thickness of a credit card off the puddle.
Make sure your gas is 100% argon. It is also possible it is contaminated.
Mark !!
Its not stainless, its mild steel tubing. ? Were did aluminum come from, I tried it on some 6063 and it burnt nozzles and and cones.AC Balance is not working HF point gap was .042, plastic mount they were in is warped not true. the nut that holds the screw adjustment on the left side of the point assy was not tight , points also were not parallel with each other .
Going in for service after 2 days of trying to get it to go , I am getting a bad felling about this deal.
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That makes perfect sense ... tighter arc and the three c's ... clean, clean, clean. I kinda figured the points would only effect start up which is why I didn't throw that out originally. The reason I mentioned DCEN was because I saw the picture wasn't aluminum and freq and bal was a moot point. I guess I should be more succinct in discussions ... my bad. He'll get it worked out I'm sure it's not anything major Everlast equipment is high quality. I'll butt out now and stop messing up this thread sorry.Quote:
Originally Posted by performance
Thanks, It gets frustrating when you have used Miller ,Lincoln ,Thermal Dynamics and ESAB Equipment for years and not had any issues, Hell i even have a $99.00 Harbor Freight Flux 110 V Mig that has worked great for 3 years in pure outdoor hell.
My 1988 Miller Matic 200 ( Purchased new) 0 Issues
Miller Thunderbolt Stick same way
ESAB 750I Plasma Should have never sold it.
Leaning real hard on JUST RETURNING BOTH MACHINES AND STARTING OVER. I will Stew on this for a few days while on Vacation.
The points dont' have to be dead on aligned to work...And the HF doesn't have anything to do with the actual welding arc.Quote:
Originally Posted by cbmkr
You discussed AC balance settings and frequency settings. AC is ONLY for welding aluminum, and then you showed a piece of pipe that wasn't aluminum. Are you welding AC or DC? If you are welding DC then the balance/frequency does not work.
IF the nozzles burned up, then you had too much cleaning or you are not using pure argon gas...which it could be labeled as pure and is contaminated with CO2. That happens a great dealthese days. The intermittent properties you described sound like a gas issue.
Give me a call and I'll be glad to go over things with you to help figure out what is going on. It does sound like a gas issue, from the burned up cones, to the "bee" sound in DC that is intermittent.
Just went to Praxaire, Gas was good got another bottle same thing, Adjusted point started up but still no progress. DC on steel, AC on Aluminum. Digital at 40 will not heat 095 thickness material.
I'm Done
The rule of thumb for TIG is 1 amp per .001 inch of thickness. That would put the requirement around 95 amps. I find that a little hot (I'd prefer 70-80 amps) but for some people it works...but 40 amps is way too low as it is... Especially if you are holding a long arc. You shouldn't be able to get a good puddle at that amperage. Are you on 120 or 240? The reading on 120 can be a little high as well, especially in the low end of the scale.Quote:
Originally Posted by cbmkr
It was on 240, just had a tig pro in to look at it, He does a lot of Stainless and straight copper and copper to steel tig work, he tried to weld with it and had no success , His coment Just Chinese Junk and Left.The machine is now in the box going back if someone will call back and give me a label.
If NO LABEL BY END OF TODAY, alternative action will be taken.
Well, I can assure you we will straighten anything wrong out. I know guys that have gotten bad products from other "majors" right out of the box as well. It happens from time to time. The best we can do is try to rectify it. At this point we don't know if it was something caused from internal shipping damage, or simply a loose wire, or something worse...As far as the alternative "action", please see the terms and policy you agreed to by purchasing our unit, and follow the protocol. We'll be glad to make things right accordingly.
Companies like Thermal Arc and ESAB have considerable product made in China, and has been mentioned before we share a couple of factories...which points out that it could happen even with the best name. ALL companies are using imported parts (from the same part mfgr's in many cases we use) in the US assembled units...
What he said! Hang in there my friend ... These machines are very well made. Things get banged around in shipping sometimes ...they will make it right!!! Everlast has a great rep for customer service ... I don't work for them ... I'm just a customer.Quote:
Originally Posted by performance
cbmkr
new unit is out , very sorry for the troubles
Oleg that is what I call service. cbmkr posted at 3:07 PT185 won't work. Oleg posted at 4:42 new unit is out.
BINGO! Like I said Everlast has a great reputation for customer service! I would stake my life on it!Quote:
Originally Posted by bnun12
Thank you guys .. !
we try to do our best, in MOST cases we get it right :)
Have had a little time to play with the second machine ,I have worked around the one small issue for now,I tried the machine on some 1/8" aluminum and some 095 mild steel tube. I used 1/16" dia ( 3/32" would do better) rod for the Aluminum and steel, I tried 4 different amp settings on the alum settled in around 70-75 seemed best no pedal torch only.Ran the steel tube at 70 amps with the 1/16" rod and did just fine. Looks like a good machine and will do fine. I have some camera mounts to fab up today and will post a few pics along the way.
( Got my son in law under a hood and let him weld too) He picked it up pretty quick.
Pictures don't look like much but we were just playing around with some scrap Attachment 7451
Glad to hear everything worked out well. Good customer service is so rare these days, it's great to see it in action. Good job Oleg! I really feel for any company that has to ship anything heavy for a box, but too light for a pallet. It seems like packages are just tossed around and damage happens way too much. I used to work at a place where we would often strap some things to pallets even if they could be lifted, just to change the way the shipping company would handle them. Cost more, but worth it. Of course we never went this far...
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/07/23/enormouse/
Yes, very good to hear things are for the better. Please keep us posted and do a review once you have some torch time.
We have one little detail to get worked out before i will give a full review, Oleg and i are working it out , i think everything will be fine.
If I can diagnose and fix something with some help over the phone I'll take any day over trusting something that big to a courier - unless of course there isn't any other option. Anyone see that video where the courier truck driver tossed the flat screen over the fence to "deliver" it? Maybe that is why the package in Rambozo's link was necessary! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Rambozo
That is the best way to try and solve a problem, My Daughter runs my old Ebay store ,i closed my retail store some years ago due to health issues,We dealt in Lost Freight , Overgoods as it is known in the business . It comes from all modes of delivery systems used in the US,The 2 Largest carriers that we all see and use everyday are the main suppliers to the business. We have found out if it is small less than 10 x 10 x 4" and weighs over 25 pounds it has a 70 % chance of making it across the country smaller and heavier get worse,Ship a 50 pound box of lead ingots and see how far they get. The automated systems have helped a lot of the loss and damage problems but the truck loading and hauling is the biggest. ?hit happens on the road and they have to deal with it , bad roads traffic accidents ,Airline delays ect. It gets very frustrating trying to ship an item back because of some small problem when you know the chances of it getting there in one piece or just lost in the shuffle do exist.
A lot of the large box companies and even some Car manufactures, Computer repair and new item shipping are centralized in Main Hubs across the country owned by our 2 main shipping companies we see everyday, this cuts the shipping time down and makes for a better chance of the item getting where it has to go.You might return a laptop to Toshiba and it goes to a ?PS Hub for Repair and goes right back out finished by the computer company's repair tech..
In the long run it all does work out in the end if you insure your items and the stuff that gets damaged or the box is torn , it gets put thru the system again and makes it to someone at a good price and everybody is happy.
It just makes you Nervous when you know how the system works.
I once sent two ~2kg boxes measuring about 11"x11"x3" on a 30kg hard wood pallet. But it was food going to a grocery distribution centre. Between only receiving trucks and secure supply chains, it's the only way to get it done.Quote:
Obviously a money loosing proposition for our company, but those are the sort of things you do for your customers...
I use 1/16" for steel for just about everything. Obviously larger rod for larger stuff & building up & filling, but 1/16 is my go-to rod.
So glad you got it worked out ... hope you have many years of use out of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by cbmkr