Just watched this new video of Jody welding 7018 with the Everlast 160STH
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3DQsXdYSDU
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Just watched this new video of Jody welding 7018 with the Everlast 160STH
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3DQsXdYSDU
ken
Correct Ken and more to come !
The use of the Everlast welder is nicely understated. From what I could see, only mentioned in the comments as an answer to a question on what welder was used. Very nice.Quote:
Originally Posted by KSmith
What first drew me to Everlast was the 140ST, but since then my sights have widened to the new 200DX. These little arc welders are quite a value, and dual voltage makes them even more portable. This 160STH is impressive in that it even has HF tig. If I wasn't so set on an AC/DC 200amp unit, it would be very inticing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oleg
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He doesn't show a picture of the welder, so I too did not not know it was an Everlast till I looked down at the comments. He wasn't obviously advertising the welder, 'nicely understated' like you say. The arc sure was calm and buttery.Quote:
Originally Posted by undercut
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There was just a sliver of green on the top shelf of the cart behind him.
You have better eyes than I do. I did a quick scan and didn't see it. All the better that it came out as a response to a viewer's question.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rambozo
The 140st and 200dx would be a nice combination to have. I owned the 200dx and I think it's a fantastic welder, but it's a heavy unit to lug around. I use the Power Arc 140st more than any other welder I use. I've used it around people a couple of times and they all were in shock that a welder that small could burn 1/8 rods. It's a good to have a dual voltage machine like the 140 to open your avenues for work. I've ran them both from my generator and the 140 barely changes the tone of the engine.Quote:
Originally Posted by KSmith
The 140st is a pretty awesome little package. Although I don't have one, I've got one as my avatar! :D It's got some nice features while being so compact and efficient. Lift start TIG! Gotta love it.Quote:
Originally Posted by SeanMurphy265
If you're a stick welder, the PA200 is the machine to have, lots of power and the 6010 mod/port.
I personally favor the PA160STH. You still have dual voltage, MMA/stick. But it also has TIG with HF start (DC only) and not that I use it, it works great with the optional foot pedal.. A happy medium for stick/TIG people (welding indoors or outdoors, 110 or 220). Just my $.02.
They are all good machines :D they just have their own place. The 140st is pretty tiny and inexpensive. The 160sth is slightly bigger but is a bigger jump up in price over the 140st. It's a nice unit too. Need green bucks to buy the whole lot!!Quote:
Originally Posted by everlastsupport
20 amps in reality, really doesn't put you much up on what you can do with the 140 amps. In practical terms, in welding, 140 and 160 amps both are in the 1/8" stick electrode category (or even 5/32), and also any weld you would do in TIG at 140 amps won't offer much more capability at 160 amps, as both will get you about 3/16 of an inch...at best it would buy you .020-.030of an inch additional which falls into never never land on plate metal (unless you find some odd metric sized plate). The 160 does give you HF, but in steel and stainless welding lift arc is acceptable and commonly used in the field. The main advantage (or disadvantage depending on what you are used to) is that it has the built in gas valve, where the torch on the 140ST has the valve on the handle and is operated manually. Both have their advantages to be sure, but the money difference is the real kicker for some.
Hence my current avatar is the 140 and not the 160. Can't seem to bridge the $ gap. One thing though is the 140 won't support a pedal.Quote:
Originally Posted by performance
True, but again, in the field, where you may be doing a repair, like I will be doing soon, up on a ladder, foot pedals don't work. Nor do they if you are running a tig root on a piece of pipe out in the field. Just "set it and forget it" (to borrow a probably trademarked term from Ronco".
The little 140 is definitely a small and light wonder.Quote:
Originally Posted by performance
On the subject of pedals in the field, I thought I read another thread where people stated they had to resort to pressing the pedal with their chin, elbow, knee, etc when welding out of position .... LOL
Not on a ladder 50 ft up in the air welding on HVAC maybe even 200 ft from the power source, nor crouched under a pipe down in a trench, or off a bank of DC tig welders. AC with a pedal, yes, mostly, but still a lot of aluminum you can't get to on a big boat with a pedal....such as this Aluminum monster thing (mostly migged with wire feed) built down across the Bay from my in laws: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGykz...eature=related
Some welds can be done with a constant current and some can't. You do whatever the job requires. For most things you can just set it and rock on. Welding machines with programmable up and down slope can give you a quasi variable amperage by going in and out of the slope, with a torch switch. Of course you can also just get a torch mounted amperage control, too. Welding castings is one place where it can be just about impossible to do a good job without some kind of amperage control. Fixing aluminum cylinder heads where the wall thickness varies from less than 1/8" to 3/4" or more, really tests both man and machine to get a perfect job.Quote:
Originally Posted by undercut
I sent the 160STH out to Jody a few months ago after i did the final changes at the Factory. Jody was very quiet on the performance of the unit and to be honest i had thought he just did not get around to using it and evaluating it. That is untill i received a Emaiol from him some time ago and while he did not say very much , he did say that i must be very proud of the involvement i had in the 160STH .
The 140 ST is a sweet little unit but make no mistake the 160STH is something else again.
Some Everlast personall have seen this first hand , but not all have had the opportunity at this point to see just what we are talking about.
Cheers
My personal thoughts (don't shoot me!). I think there is definitely a market niche that the 160 can fill. I think the challenge might be educating the consumer all of the value they will get for the difference in price over the 140. I definitely see one of the 140's strong points is its small size and very low weight. I see the 160 more of something that will see more bench time. The gas solenoid is definitely worth something and so does pedal support for those dealing with varying thicknesses and those dreaming of up slope and down slope capabilities - albeit manually by manipulating the pedal. There may be better performance too but none of this is super obvious from the website / literature.Quote:
Originally Posted by Titan winch
It was important for the 160 to exceed the 90 amp mark ( 110v) for Tig function. The reason being that 90 amps is the most common Amperage setting for tig welding. Actual exact numbers for the 160 is 97amps ( not neccesarily what is shown on readout) as opposed to 84 amps for the 140 when both models are running on 110v having 120v does not really increase the actual ouptut that much . while it is only a 13 amp difference on 110v it does allow for a weld as is shown in the Video ( 95amps ) and from my point of view has maintained the goal of giving the 110v function the versatility to handle the most common amp setting world wide.
This of course is just one small point in looking at a product but non the less it is a important consideration that needs to be addressed. From my own point of view i feel the 140 is a excellent choice for a small light portable stick welder with the ocassional use as TIG. the 160 is a excellent choice for a small light portable unit for stick welding with excellent capability to double as a full time TIG unit.
As for size they both come in the plastic carry case and the 160 is only a couple of inches bigger than the 140 so there really is not a lot of difference that way.
What are the circuit ampacity requirements for running these machines on 110V?
There is very little difference between the 2 units in regards to the Amp input requirements using 110V as a example with MMA @ 15 amps both will put out 73.7 amps. ( a little higher for TIG )Quote:
Originally Posted by redbeard
Acording to my Actual Figures from test results between the 2 ( And i have to take this from my notes from December) 160STH 97 amps = 23.1 amp input and 140ST 84 amp= 21.3 amps
These are actual test numbers and not what the stated numbers on the units show.
I thought about selling my 140st and getting a 160st, but I wanted the 140st for the compact size. I bring it in addition to my power arc 200 on jobs. I somehow managed to pull the chord out of the plug on my last job. I finished the last two welds with my 140st.
If I did not have a power arc 200 I would look at the 160 for a stick welder. If I were buying the Power Arc 160 for tig welding I would jump up to the Power Tig 200 and get a fully functional DC tig welder. That's just me, and we all have different needs in a welding machine.
I would guess the 160 is in the middle of the units as far as size is concerned.
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Dang, that is just downright diminutive.
I'd love to see a hybrid of the existing products. Something smallish, dual voltage, 140A stick and AC tig. I need stick for the big stuff and tig for the small stuff.
Product engineer's nightmare though - trying to pack the conflicting electronics into a small package that doesn't cost an arm and a leg!
I suspect part of the heft in the PowerArc 200 is it's much better duty cycle.
The 160STH is 11" high with the rubber feet included and I think 12"-13" deep. Small and light.
For what I do, I now have a low end portable DC TIG (though I have to load a small tank in the truck, sort of a pain), a portable stick, and runs on 110 as well. That was what I wanted. I already have larger AC/DC TIGs, MIGs, and Plasma.
This gives me something I can take on the road TIG (has foot pedal control I will not use, but a plus to many). The IMIG200 I have was for stick and MIG off the generator (flux core and no gas to carry).
I picked The PA160STH for the great all around unit it is. I think Duncan did a great job on it. If it had 200AMPs, I would like it more, and AC, even more (in that order). But you can only fit so much inside the little green box.
I'm not trying to start a debate or come across negative, I love my 140st, I think it's the best value and gives you the most bang for your buck. Thermal Arc's closest machine in price is a 90 amp machine and their machine of equal power runs in the 600 range. I got my 140 at the introductory price 230ish last summer when they came out. If I had not bought a Power Arc 200 I would get a 160. The Power Arc 200 is a heavy duty machine and literally it is no light weight. I wanted something dual voltage and easy to carry around. I stick weld with my power arcs and occasionally tig with my 140.Quote:
Originally Posted by redbeard
I guess the point I was trying to make was that If I were purchasing a 160 to tig weld, and do some stick welding; why not jump up to a Power Tig 200 so you have a fully functional tig welder and it welds 6010 and 6011? For $200 more you get more tig functions.
I wanted to make sure I was not coming across as downing the 160, I'm sure its a very good welder. At $489.00(160) would you be better off spending 699.00 for more tig functions(Power Tig 200)? That's how I look at it. Is the 160 worth the extra 200 more than the 140? Those are some questions I ask myself when I purchase a welder. There's several welders to choose from that are close in amperage and functions. Why should I choose one over the other? Thats kinda the point I'm getting at. I'm not trying to knock any product.
I'm not hearing anything overly negative in this discussion. What I'm hearing is that these are great machines and are serving their own specific market niche very well - to the point where their owners are extolling the virtues of their welder. Unfortunately, one machine can't be everything to everyone. It just makes the purchasing decision that much tougher. Trust me on this .... personally going through this one.
Thanks! That's what I was trying to say!Quote:
Originally Posted by undercut