I would love to have a short bottle but not sure if they make a Fat short bottle that's closer to a 125?!
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I would love to have a short bottle but not sure if they make a Fat short bottle that's closer to a 125?!
I have a 155 that fits sideways in the back seat of my car; that's a pretty handy feature to me for when it needs filling up.
Can't do that with the 330 that I've also got. The 330 basically needs a truck to be transported for filling.
I also have a 155.
Not sure if they passed a new law or what, but last time I was at the LWS, there was a sign that said bottles over 40cf could no longer be transported in a car.
Some have suggested that it is a DOT rule, I think it's just common sense. Even 40cf is enough gas to displace every breathable parcel of air in your car. "Irreversible death" will ensue (I forgot which thread that phrase came from ;) ) .Quote:
Originally Posted by sportbike
I have a 150-ish too, and find it very manageable ... I load mine laying down on a trailer, since I don't have a pickup anymore. I thought about getting one of those cargo platforms that go in to your hitch receiver. But I figured you are only one fender-bender away from a horizontal bottle rocket, so I scrapped that idea ;) .
Cheers
Mike
That has been around for a long time. Just some people still do it. I guess if gas leaks you are in trouble... My local place has pictures of cars with tanks that have let loose from an accident or fires.Quote:
Originally Posted by sportbike
Some places will turn their back if you load them yourself. Shielding gas won't catch fire but can suffocate you.
BTW many years ago heard of a guy who was carrying/lifting a tank by the cap. The threads were worn and the cap popped off. Went straight up and shattered his jaw... Ouch makes me think every time I grab a cylinder. I know freak accident...
Have you ever seen the pictures of bottles blowing up inside of a car? Its quite impressive. I haven't heard of a law barring you from putting them in your car unless its a state specific one. That doesn't mean there isn't a law, just I haven't heard it.
Brian Ski beat me to it.
How heavy is a 150/155 bottle filled?
I plan on making a bottle holder in my truck bed.
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Originally Posted by CGCINC
I can pick mine up myself no problem. There is no reason they can't be transported laying down. I just throw little ratchet strap on mine to prevent it from rolling around in the bed.
http://www.northerntool.com/shop/too...ries-_-1632231Quote:
Originally Posted by CGCINC
You probably don't want to get it here because it's so expensive, but it gives you an idea.
I just weighed my 150cf that I bought last week, and it weighs 83 lbs. It's practically full @2000 PSI.Quote:
Originally Posted by CGCINC
Cheers
Mike
I just lug mine around! Those smaller bottles are too expensive, and you go through them fast! I have 2 125 argon bottles one I own the other is a lease that needs to be returned! Those bottles will eat you out of a house and a home!Quote:
Originally Posted by posixPilot
That's a doable weight. Thanks for all the input guys!Quote:
Originally Posted by posixPilot
Boy that site is a little jacked.... They are showing a picture of a #2 bottle. Calling it a #4. It is a 125 cf bottle. Then it is listed as a 125 gallon.Quote:
Originally Posted by MigPlazArc
BTW yea that price is high. I stopped by a place called Rural King. A farm store. They have the thoroughbred line. They charge you $20 if you don't have one of their tanks. They swap out all kinds of cylinders. No listing of tank prices or swap prices. With the look of that ad it sounds like they are high.
Haha wow lol! I didn't look at it long enough to see the errors apparently...Yeah, as I said before EXPENSIVE.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brian Ski
Well, I ended up buying an 80cf bottle. It was a straight out buy for $110 full. $35 to fill when empty.
Not as big as I wanted but that was the best deal I could find locally and I think it will be a good size for my needs.
Not a bad price outright, but a little high on the refills...
I guess everything is better out west, over here in CT I paid $180 to buy the bottle full and it cost $70 to fill my 80cf bottle yesterday.
shoot when get all my bottles filled i get popped for about 400 bucks but i have 12 bottles to fill since have spares in case i run out on the weekends . Also check craigslist and ebay on bottles i go some from ebay they was pick up only but to me a 60 or so mile drive was worth it since i got 2 8 80 tanks for 90 bucks . like ebay local add listings and got alot of good used bottles on craigs list have to go pick them up but can get some great deals got 6 tank on craigs list for 300 buck 2 was k bottles
70 bucks is sorta pricey for a 80 fill my 80 cost 38 bucks when filled if it was like a larger bottle 70 but not a 80 bottle criaglist always has deals like this , i have like 3 sets of gauges and hose from buying as a set with bottles http://mohave.craigslist.org/tls/2938895100.html
I went with 125's for argon and my argon/CO2 mix. They are able to be handled easily, and will fit in my jeep cherokee when I have to drive it down the mountain in winter. Also, I don't feel my carts would handle much larger. My argon bottle I got last was on a winter special at the LWS. I purchased it for $140 with an initial fill of only $19, sale price. I think it will be about $35 to fill normally. I'm not in business, so they seem to last a reasonable amount of time.
Well the gas price over here on the east coast is high probably mostly evil connecticut taxes and such.
Also over here the gas places won't let you "own" anything bigger than 80cf bottles. They claim this is to prevent theft but it is clearly because they make allot more money of industrial places who all use bigger bottles.
Like I said, better out west.
That is insanity. I hate some of these LWS's. But on the other hand could be local or state laws on the size limits.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jules The Great
Unfortunatly it is just them.
Tractor supply apparently lets you own and swap out the big bottles and are/were being sued by the gas companies, airgas, because they swapped out some of theirs.
So I called another airgas that is about 45 minutes away and they sell their argon for $40 for 80 cf which I think is the perfect bottle size for easy mobility. That is opposed to the $75 my local one charges, so unless they are willing to come down I will not use them anymore.
The further away one also told me it was a federal restriction that you could not own bottles over 80cf, he agreed that it did not make sense. It can't however be a law as it would only read that "you can only rent big bottles so gas companies can make more money" I mean you can do all the same things with a bottle you rent as with one you own right! So it makes no sense other than that they are lying.
I don't mind paying a higher price when I have to for certain things under certain cirumstances but I hate when they are plain gouging.
Well I don't think they are lying... Just miss informed... I even see the cops say stuff like that... When a cops asks you is that legal??? And I have to explain to him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jules The Great
Back to the post. You can own any size tank. But if it is a certain company (with a LWS stores name) they may not sell their tanks above a certain size. That way they can keep track of their rental tanks. Here the local place only lets you own 125 CF or smaller... Any larger with their name are rentals... You can take in unnamed tanks but you will have to wait to fill not just a swap. Also pay for any retesting since it is not a swapable tank.
BTW if you buy a tank say from Harbor freight... You have the option (since there is no name)of swapping it out at the local place or having it filled so you can keep it... If you swap it then you loose the unnamed tank for good, since they probably put their label on it.
Then you still have to figure in your mileage to get it. Plus if the tank runs out the time to run all the way out their and back.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jules The Great
BTW I don't think it is legal or safe to transport tanks in a car. They have to be outside of a passenger compartment. Some places will turn their back on you doing this. I don't think any will help you load it that way.
The 125s are pretty decent size tanks to handle.
Heads up if you carry a tank do NOT carry it by the cap. Long ago story of a guy carrying a tank and the cap was worn and slipped off... Popped him in the jaw and shattered his jaw. Maybe a one in a million chance... But people still play the lotto.!!!!!!
I hear what you are saying, but even with gas driving it will be cheaper, if you account for my time then no it is not but I should be able to get my local guy to hook me up.
As to carrying in a car I put them in my trunk, if it is illegal it is yet another foolish law written by someone with no understanding of anything. If the bottle leaks there or on my shop or garage or whatever I will be just as dead in the end. I think I may get some sort of low oxegen alarm to be safe.
If they are claiming the danger is from a collision I don't think anyone would sign up to being in a collision if a tank were in the back of a truck.
If they do have a problem I can just drive around with it strapped in the trunk with the trunk open.
That does sound like a freak occurance but thanks for the warning
Oh I follow you too... The problem is if it leaks int he car it is a confined space, In a passenger compartment. If it is in a shop or garage it is not that confined and a lot of time doors are open.
BTW about fuel... My truck gets 8 mpg on a good day... so a 45 min ride is going to cost me some money.
I did some digging and don't show a specific law against transporting in a car just this line... "Transporting cylinders in cars, vans, or in any enclosed vehicle is extremely dangerous, and should be avoided. Never transport flammable gases in the trunk or passenger compartment of a vehicle."
Good point, I have a crown victoria and get around 22mpg going ....the speed limit of course.
I just picked up a big tank has to be around 5 foot, full of mix gas for mig, bought it for $85. I know no one near me will fill it so I will at least get to use the gas and then will have to find a clever way to get it filled. One thought is take it to a big welding shop that rents big tanks and see if I can throw them a little cash to sneak it in with their bottles. I would of course pay if it needs to be tested. We shall have to see, it is so big I can't imagine how long it will take to run down.
Asphyxiation? The greater danger is probably taking a corner too fast, and the bottle sliding sideways in the truck, denting your quarterpanel outward from the inside. I'd say you're ahead at $85 to own a *full* bottle .
That around here is considered a rental tank. I have one my buddy bought for $30. Problem is it is a Nitrogen tank... WTF do you do with that??? If I can find someone who rents several kinds of tanks maybe they could swap it for an Argon... Or O2 ... Or even an Argon CO2 mix. Problem is I can't find that guy yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jules The Great
Yea if you can find a shop and they are cool they shouldn't have a problem swapping it for you. The rental tanks don't care if they are out of date. As long as it has the company they use names on it.
Heads up if you take it to get filled and don't have a rental agreement they will take it from you. Depends on your area but that is what they do here...
then snapping the valve and shooting like an unguided missile down the road.Quote:
Originally Posted by DaveO
For me, it depends on how close you can get the truck to your tanks. If you can backup close to them, go 250, roll them on the job if needed. If you have to carry them or roll them a lot, 150 would be best. Also, you can buy a cheap dolly and keep it in the truck too. The generator is more work than the tank for us.
For plasma cutting, instead of compressed air.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brian Ski
No moisture issue.
rivets
yeah we shall have to wait and see, not sure what size it is but it has 2000 psi in it a little over. It appears to be 60" tall and 9 or 9.5 inches in diam. I can pick it up and move it around but I am not going to say it is light.
I would call ahead and see if they would fill it. There is no way in h### that I would allow them to "sieze" it I would stick it back in my trunk tell them where to stick it and leave, I mean they can't stop you or touch you the most they can legally do is call the cops.
I actualy do not know if I will even be able to use all the gas up before I hope I can move outwest where it won't be a problem. I have an 80cf tank with mix in it and even with what I feel is quite a bit of welding it is still over half full.
I know what you mean about them lying, and like with cops if you ever ask them if you are allowed to do something they will almost always just say no right away. Most of the time they have no idea.
Here is the tank next to an 80 sitting in a HF welding cart.
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The guy was pretty cool with a buddy of mine a month ago... He said if it hits his dock they have to keep it and he left it in his truck and that was where it was left. I had one I took in to another company many years ago and they told me I had to give it up or they would call the cops... If the cops were called the bottle has their name on the ring... So whose is it???? BTW they are out of biz now or bought out... I guess you call it Karma!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Jules The Great
I would guess that is a HP280 or HP330 if that is an 80 next to it. Over 230 for sure.