Question is Everlast gonna bring out a wireless foot pedal similar to millers.
I don't need one, but I want one, which usually leads to me buying one, just to say I have one.
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Question is Everlast gonna bring out a wireless foot pedal similar to millers.
I don't need one, but I want one, which usually leads to me buying one, just to say I have one.
How 'bout a "wireless" TIG torch? Talk about the ultimate in flexibility! Also think "Bio-feedback" amperage control, for those got-to-be-perfect welds! (steep learning curve though)Quote:
Originally Posted by geezer
GeezerQuote:
Originally Posted by geezer
We think a lot alike.
Most all of my tools were purchased using that very same line of thought.
and I would also get the wireless foot pedal just because its cool.
Guys,
Its heavily patent protected. Won't be around for a while. A lot has to do with radio frequencies, and surrounding noise filtering.
OK, there is no reality to the "wireless" TIG torch idea, but I think the "bio-feedback" amperage control has potential. It's probably not even patented. Yet!
An IR device would not have the frequency issues(it would have to be encoded like a car door opener). The ir sensor could have multiple locations for robustness.
Chris
what is the foot pedal sending back to the machine? is it just a pot in a box, or is the logic in the footpedal, too?
if it's just a pot, it wouldn't be a big deal to use PWM to control a LED->LDR combo on the machine end and a pair of transmitters. you could do bluetooth, xbee, or 433mhz serial. it'd probably cost around $150+ programming time. in the long run, I thought it was probably a better idea to adapt the miller than to build my own. I'm not great at soldering SMD components (little tiny circuit board parts) and the cost of breakout boards is high.
if someone is really interested, I can devote some more time to working out the details.
Edit:
y'know, now that I think about it, you might be able to hack and use a wireless mouse, which would take the cost down a bunch.
Until then I'm about as happy as a wet dog next to a warm stove with the 2T, & 4T settings....
The issues, involve High Frequency interference, and other broad EM spectrum frequencies. I have heard the inside story from some Miller guys about the foot pedal design and the issues they had to design around o prevent interferance. I would think IR would be a no go too since the arc is so bright and would interfere. I've had my IR sensor on my Sony Monitor/TV go haywire certain times of the day when the light comes in the window just right. It'd change all the settings. Close the blinds and it would be fine.
I would really like to know how Miller has done their pedal because there is a lot of stuff that will cause interference with wireless. They are running it on 2.4ghz wireless from what I gathered in their tech specs which is the same the wireless your computers are using. There are mouse's and keyboards and xboxs and more than use it also. A simple fluorescent light can disrupt the wireless signal. I may be tempted to look into a method for creating something down the road when I have more time and funds. I already have a lot of projects to try and get done.
This thread is old but I figured I would add IR always needs a line of sight. So the pedal would have to be able to see the receiver. This means the pedal could not be under the table. I don't know why however it would be so hard for everlast to make there own design. I work on computers alot and routers with use the same radio principles are a pedal would use. There are alot of frequencies available. I would think over 5ghz would be a good range and not a whole lot of things are up that high. The pedal is so close to the receiver it should have good reception. Hell even if it's not possible you can make an adaptor to make the miller pedal work with your units and still make money on the deal. If not being able to use a wireless pedal with your units it a deal breaker you could probably get some people to buy everlast units that might not. Some people like the wireless pedals because when your moving around to weld cars or other things it is so easy to just move it around.
For a bunch of guys that bad mouth Miller at every chance you sure do want to copy everything they innovate.. First the different wave forms and now the wireless foot control..... That 600 dollar foot control cost more than all but the highest end Everlast machines !! LOL !!! Ever thought about buying the Dynasty machine and calling it a day?
I have never bad mouthed miller but since you said something lincoln's high end inverters would take a dynasty and eat it alive. If I was going to spend over $6000 or so it wouldn't be a miller.
I'm sure they do..... Jealousy is a very ugly trait. You don't want a Miller but you drool over every innovation they have? As for Lincoln's high end machines they must so good that no one ever speaks of them? ANYWHERE ....
You talking about this POS? Better read those duty cycles and rethink your last statement .... Had it been the best machine on the market I would have bought one rest assured..
http://www.lincolnelectric.com/en-us...roduct=K2916-1
Kinda like the guy with a ford bad mouthing the guy down the street with a Ferrari, saying his neighbors Escort can eat it for lunch... Just wait till my big brother get home he'll tell you... LOL
Comparing a welder to a Miller is as common as comparing every other tire to a Michelin ! It's done everyday because when you are the bast everyone is gunning for you..
I see a 40% for the lincoln vs 60% for the miller but the lincoln is 50 lb and the miller is almost 300lb. Larger units can have larger heat sinks. I would like to see you move that around with you everyday. You must have issues I see everyone else here talking and getting advice from each other. Every post you put talking crap or comparing this to that. You just assume I must be jealous of you. I'm a humble person but I am not jealous of you or anything you have. If you would like to pull out the tape measures and start we can. I could afford to my a miller but what if I couldn't afford to buy one. What if someone else couldn't afford to buy one who are you to sit there and say they must be jealous of you. I'm glad you are happy with your miller and I am happy with my unit. So if you want to assume I'm jealous of you are wrong. I've been very blessed and don't need for anything.
Also the miller only puts out the rated amps on three phase. On single phase it only puts out 225 amps. Thats less than my welder. The lincoln puts out rated amps no mater what. So what does duty cycle mater if you can't even put out the amps to use the high duty cylce.
Mr Cippee........... Exactly who are you and at what point did you decide anyone was speaking directly to you? You just decide to chime into a conversation with comments about products that you don't own and don't operate. What? do you live such a lonely life that you have to make something about you? It hasn't been more than a month ago that the head Tech person at Everlast made statements that foot pedals were for people that can't weld in an attempt to cover up a problem with another machine and today I see he's posting about how the Miller pedal is all protected and can't be copied for some time yet.. Quite a different story from foot controls are for people that can't weld..
However you didn't have a dog in that fight either and are clueless about any of those issues.. Today you chime in about Bla, Bla, Bla makes... Bla, Bla, Bla.. Like you own either and have a dog in the fight.. You need to just crawl off back to the rock you live under and beak off somewhere else. Do you realize how pathetic it looks to make statements like XYZ has something better and if I wasn't a broke ### I would have one and I would be better than you! Do you understand how that reads? Well allow me to make that clear to you Mr Humble Pie!! There is always going to be a better mouse trap made by someone but until you step up and actually become a player you're nothing but an armchair quarterback running your mouth about things you know nothing about.. Again tell me how you escort can whip a Ferrari... Did you dream this all up or are you actually basing anything you have said on more than reading some sales flier? Or perhaps you know a guy that knows a guy that told your sister whom happens to be your wife about the Lincoln? Please expand on your comments I dying for my next laugh... And I have my Dynasty on 3 Phase so OOPS!! And since you are comparing the TOP OF THE LINE Lincoln let's be fair and compare the TOP OF THE LINE Dynasty... The 700.... Over 400 amps on single phase and 700 and 3 phase..... BOOM!!!!!! That was some knowledge being dropped on you but at 28 whole years old you already know everything right? The water is fine so jump on in and show me how mean that Lincoln is... I invite and in fact challenge you to put me in my place with all those talents you have gathered in the 28 years you have walked tall upon this earth.. Go to Home Depot since that's where Lincoln sells their junk and buy that big bad machine and beat poor little me to the ground like I deserve.. You're the man for the job aren't you?
I went to school for welding and used them all so I can judge them. I decided you were referencing me when the post was dead for six months and then you post an hour after me. I never said I know everything because people learn something new everyday. Sorry if you weren't talking to me I guess I get defensive. You know I don't want to start a pissing match. I don't think it is good for us or the forum. So lets me say I'm sorry and start over with an olive branch. I see you build custom turbo systems. I have an 87 grand national I built that makes about 550hp at 24psi but I run it at about 14 psi. This way I can run pump gas I would think it makes about 400 on the road. What type of cars do you make turbos for?
don't pay any attention to that nut case. he can only go so long without slipping into a psychotic state. ask him about his ex, you'll get a definition of misogynist... bet the other side of that story would be interesting. oh, and those dynasty's....cardboard cutouts. lol
ps he becomes a little more deranged as the night wears on.... go figure.
I see fdc would you happen to be a firefighter. I was a volunteer for a while and it was fun. I have to edit this. I didn't mean it was fun watching someone's house burn down or a bad accident. I mean overall I enjoyed doing it. I liked the scba training blindfolded. I never new I was afraid of small places until I went through the obstacle course a few times . In school the dynasty broke and when we took it apart the insulation was very chintzy for a expensive machine. The circuit board was like stamped or fiber or what ever you call it. I went to school to work on computers when I was 19 and I never new boards that were made of that stuff.
Oddly enough, it would appear Miller does not own the patent for it
http://www.google.com/patents?id=rJf...turing&f=false
It's a cool idea, but fighting the electrical interference might be very difficult.
realistically what purpose would you use a wireless pedal have?? I`ve done lost of vehicle body repair and most of the time a pedal is just in the way, stationary welding bench its just as easy having a wired pedal, it would drive the price of these welders way up.
I don't think I would use a wireless much either, it may be handy at times, but I'm tired of things with batteries going dead.Quote:
Originally Posted by charger891
A wireless would be cool if you could also plug a cable into it, so it could be either wireless or corded. Also when it was plugged in it would charge the battery. That would be the best of both.
More from the Peanut gallery !!! Keep telling yourself whatever makes you feel better...Quote:
Originally Posted by fdcmiami
I once seen a guy saw the end off an Anvil in school does that mean the anvil was a POS or ..... Perhaps in the right hands anything can be destroyed? Hmmmmm? I wonder???? I will still defer back to ..... Ask any 100 welders by trade who makes the NUMBER 1 machine and Miller will be all you hear. I've never seen a new Lincoln that anyone was happy with. Lincoln has tried to lure customers with some video game looking control board with lots of factory presets so someone with no experience can simply select number 2 and the book says it should weld XYZ set to that setting... Again talk about something that don't belong in a welding shop.. A control screen that looks like a video game don't belong there at all. The Dynasty is pushing the limits of what should and shouldn't be in that kind of environment. That's nothing but a sales gemic that lures people that are more impressed with looks over function. As rated output ..... No one tops the Dynasty 700 for single phase out put and you did say top of the line Lincoln so let's not compare it to the second in line Miller... Apples to Apples is only fair... And 40% duty cycle is just sad.. So you can weld 4 min out of 10? WOW that's stellar !!!! How many Lincoln machines have you had the cover off of? How old was that Dynasty you claim was broken? I went into this knowing that in 5 to 7 year s any inverter machine will need replaced ! They aren't designed to last like a Gen type machine. By that time it will have paid for itself at least 50 times so tossing it out back will be just fine.. I once seen a Ferrari with a spun main bearing does that mean all Ferrari's are junk? In your book one machine that so far you have given no history on you claim had a problem so you decide and post all of that Family of machine are no good based on never owning either and no first hand experience with either.. I can't say about the Lincoln because I haven't used one and for that matter don't know a single person that has ever owned one.. I know several people that own Dynasty's and not one single person I know with one has a bad thing to say about it including me.. The only people that complain about them seems to be the people that have never owned or used one but somehow they have the inside track on information about them and how terrible they are.. Funny how that seems to be the way.. However I have owned an Everlast and I have posted the good and the bad about that machine. I won't say it's junk but I can't say it's as refined as Miller either.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cippee
I board was shot it was 3 years ago and the machine was well used dynasty 200. I didn't say millers were junk. They are good welders. I just liked the invertec better. However two of the same machines can weld different so who knows. What kind of turbo turbo systems do you build? Like I said I have a turbo buick so I love turbines.
The Dynasty 200 is an entry level Dynasty just as the Syncrowave 200 isn't anywhere near as well built as the Syncrowave 250.. Notice the price difference between each of these machines compared to the next step up.. On the Dynasty 200 they also make a DX and a lower end model for an even cheaper price... Just as Oleg offers several different levels of machines based on specs and price.. Not everyone will want to spend the money a Dynasty 350 or 700 cost and from looking at the Lincoln it appears to be in the 10K range as well. Personally I'm against companies making low end machines and placing the name of their higher end machines on it as a sales tactic. It confuses the uninformed and lowers the reputation of the real deal machines. You can make the best of anything and all it takes is one bad product to get into the right hands that will raise enough hell and your name is shot. Believe it or not the first Dynasty machine I was ever around I didn't like because the owner somehow didn't have the operating manual for it and trying to fumble your way around inside that control panel blind is impossible! In 2007 I traveled to Vancouver, BC Canada to set up a brand new street rod shop from the ground up and I purchased Syncrowave 350's in that shop over the Dynasty because I had only been around that one machine and my experience with it was limited and I needed equipment that I could be up and running right out of the gate. Today I can honestly say that was about the single most BONE HEAD move I've ever made specing and purchasing equipment in my whole life time.. I even argued with the electrician sent out to wire the place because he was saying the Dynasty was the only way to fly. Lack of knowledge produced wrong choices and today I realize that. I set that shop up 20 years behind the current technology and have probably caused them to produce a lesser quality of work than they could have. My bad is all I can say now. The Syncrowave 350 is a great machine and I've used one a great deal but it's far from a Dynasty 350 now that I have caught up myself with technology. I still know welders using 30 year old and older machines that can produce welds that are very difficult to match for all but the best most talented craftsmen I know. I'm sure that Oleg's EXT machine in the right hands can and will produce results second to none once the bugs get sorted out. However it just isn't as refined as the Miller and in all honesty who would expect it to be? It's not even 1/3 the cost so corners had to cut somewhere. When the welding starts and the bull crap stops it handles the job.. However it's a little less refined in the areas of noise and attention to details including adjustments and over all quality. When I bought one I figure at 1/3 the cost I could buy 3 of these to every one Dynasty. I still see it that way but I will keep the Dynasty as my main go to machine that I base my little business being able to count on to make money without worry of being stranded. It may quit tomorrow but I have no doubt one phone call will result in a replacement being here the next day covered by my dealer until Miller makes good to them. 90% of the cost I was willing to pay was for service after the sale that wasn't over a week away ..Quote:
Originally Posted by Cippee
i know a story behind the pedal ... very interesting ..Quote:
Originally Posted by Zmechanic
Guy who invented the pedal pitched to Miller and Lincoln. mistake that he did that he DIDNT patent the pedal on time.
Lincoln got the deal and now suing Miller. Miller ripped off that guy basically
I build hot rods too. My father got me into them. Not technical a hot rod but I love my buick. That car is so much fun to drive. Next I have to build a 67 impala. I watched supernatural too many times and started to love that car.
Ahhhhh. Interesting. I only searched for miller patents. Oddly enough, that patent even mentions connecting it to a miller welder.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oleg
I'd be curious to know the story. Haha.
Patents are a tricky business. My mentor/senior engineer has a patent on a control system for an electrical test instrument (Keithley SMU). One time an IC rep was pitching an all-in-one type IC to function much like an SMU. Upon hearing this "novel" approach, he just went silent for a second and responded with "Yeah, I know the idea behind that. I have a patent for it.". Stuff like that happens ALL the time in the electronics world especially since it's very hard to see "under the hood" on electronic devices like you can for mechanical ones. Funny coincidence, he co-oped back at Lincoln back when he was in college.
The patents that will kick your butt are the abstract ones that cover a huge range of things. From what I saw, that wireless pedal patent is pretty abstract, which stinks for people trying to replicate the idea.
I found one patent for Lincoln, which was issued for 2010. The one I dug up not related to either was issued in 2008 I think..
Go figure...... Big business stealing food right out of the mouth of someone that is truly deserving. I was bidding on one on eBay that was cheap until the last few minutes of the auction and I wasn't willing to go past my set price for it because I don't need it I just wanted it because I like toys like every other man I know. Anyhow when I was talking to my Miller sales man he told me that he had sold only a few and out of them no one was 100% satisfied with it's performance compared to the wired unit.. Maybe it's more refined now who knows but the only way I'll ever have one will be finding it dirt cheap and buying it that way.. It's not worth 600 of my money.. I would much rather try that CK torch mounted amp control and a nice new 300 amp CK torch that uses WP20 parts!! That rocks !! I'm impressed with the CK products over the Weldcraft industry standard! I own all weldcraft and once more I'll admit being late to the dance on this.. CK has the Weldcraft product covered with ease! Like I have said many times there's always a better mouse trap out there if you look hard enough for it. I'm old with an ill temper and short fuse when it comes to someone arguing about things I have devoted my life to being the best I can be at. Oleg has told me of a German company that produces the finest welders made in the world.. DO I HAVE ONE ? NO!! Would I like one? You bet.... All I had to hear was German and I didn't need to hear anymore! They make the finest of EVERYTHING IN THE WORLD !!! Best guns,Knifes,Cars,Motorcycles, Precision Machining equipment, and I'm sure welders if they decide to build one.. That Hitler guy was right about at least one of his ideas... They really are a superior race of people and seem to have always been.. American wouldn't be where it is today without German help! I have my personal favorites but I'm not blind that there's always something better..Quote:
Originally Posted by Oleg
Like someone else posted I would be all about a wireless torch !! I don't care who invents it I'll be impressed!
@Gunner... have you tried the CK wedge collets ?
Around the time when they invented ac current the one guy I don't remember his name waisted all his money trying to build wireless electric poles. He wanted to make the electricity travel from one place to another like a radio signal. Unfortunately I don't think we will ever get there. However though a hundred years ago they wouldn't be able to conceive half the stuff we have.
I've brought this up before, a great setup would be if you could leave the pedal plugged in and use it at the bench and also have the finger trigger plugged in at the same time, with an override circuit that would disable the pedal when you push the trigger and be able to use the trigger as a standard 2t at set amps.
This would let you weld at the bench with the pedal and tack on the jig with the trigger without swapping plugs 50 times a day.
Edit: Everlast can use this idea, royalty checks could be sent directly to me ( joke ).
The torch switch only uses the two wires. So I wonder if you spliced the torch switch into the pedal plug I think it might work. The torch switch would be open when you use the pedal so it wouldn't mess with it. Then when you use the torch switch the pedal circuit would be open so they wouldn't mess with each other. I am not an expert on the plug pinouts and am just speaking from my basic electrical knowledge. Kind of like how a three way light switch works. Also you could put a connector on it so you could plug and unplug to the two wires from the pedal harness otherwise the pedal would be stuck to the torch wires.
Nicola Tesla.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cippee
Yes that is the name hell yes. Thanks.
Haha, don't knock Tesla. The HF arc starter in modern welders is technology he pioneered with the tesla coil.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cippee
And he did send very large amount of power very large distances. The problem is taking that power and making it useful again after recovering it. As a first order, all the electronics needed after the transformer in your welder would be needed in the wireless torch. Not so feasible.. Power electronics technology today just can't support it.