What are the circuit ampacity requirements for running these machines on 110V?
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What are the circuit ampacity requirements for running these machines on 110V?
There is very little difference between the 2 units in regards to the Amp input requirements using 110V as a example with MMA @ 15 amps both will put out 73.7 amps. ( a little higher for TIG )Quote:
Originally Posted by redbeard
Acording to my Actual Figures from test results between the 2 ( And i have to take this from my notes from December) 160STH 97 amps = 23.1 amp input and 140ST 84 amp= 21.3 amps
These are actual test numbers and not what the stated numbers on the units show.
I thought about selling my 140st and getting a 160st, but I wanted the 140st for the compact size. I bring it in addition to my power arc 200 on jobs. I somehow managed to pull the chord out of the plug on my last job. I finished the last two welds with my 140st.
If I did not have a power arc 200 I would look at the 160 for a stick welder. If I were buying the Power Arc 160 for tig welding I would jump up to the Power Tig 200 and get a fully functional DC tig welder. That's just me, and we all have different needs in a welding machine.
I would guess the 160 is in the middle of the units as far as size is concerned.
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Dang, that is just downright diminutive.
I'd love to see a hybrid of the existing products. Something smallish, dual voltage, 140A stick and AC tig. I need stick for the big stuff and tig for the small stuff.
Product engineer's nightmare though - trying to pack the conflicting electronics into a small package that doesn't cost an arm and a leg!
I suspect part of the heft in the PowerArc 200 is it's much better duty cycle.
The 160STH is 11" high with the rubber feet included and I think 12"-13" deep. Small and light.
For what I do, I now have a low end portable DC TIG (though I have to load a small tank in the truck, sort of a pain), a portable stick, and runs on 110 as well. That was what I wanted. I already have larger AC/DC TIGs, MIGs, and Plasma.
This gives me something I can take on the road TIG (has foot pedal control I will not use, but a plus to many). The IMIG200 I have was for stick and MIG off the generator (flux core and no gas to carry).
I picked The PA160STH for the great all around unit it is. I think Duncan did a great job on it. If it had 200AMPs, I would like it more, and AC, even more (in that order). But you can only fit so much inside the little green box.
I'm not trying to start a debate or come across negative, I love my 140st, I think it's the best value and gives you the most bang for your buck. Thermal Arc's closest machine in price is a 90 amp machine and their machine of equal power runs in the 600 range. I got my 140 at the introductory price 230ish last summer when they came out. If I had not bought a Power Arc 200 I would get a 160. The Power Arc 200 is a heavy duty machine and literally it is no light weight. I wanted something dual voltage and easy to carry around. I stick weld with my power arcs and occasionally tig with my 140.Quote:
Originally Posted by redbeard
I guess the point I was trying to make was that If I were purchasing a 160 to tig weld, and do some stick welding; why not jump up to a Power Tig 200 so you have a fully functional tig welder and it welds 6010 and 6011? For $200 more you get more tig functions.
I wanted to make sure I was not coming across as downing the 160, I'm sure its a very good welder. At $489.00(160) would you be better off spending 699.00 for more tig functions(Power Tig 200)? That's how I look at it. Is the 160 worth the extra 200 more than the 140? Those are some questions I ask myself when I purchase a welder. There's several welders to choose from that are close in amperage and functions. Why should I choose one over the other? Thats kinda the point I'm getting at. I'm not trying to knock any product.
I'm not hearing anything overly negative in this discussion. What I'm hearing is that these are great machines and are serving their own specific market niche very well - to the point where their owners are extolling the virtues of their welder. Unfortunately, one machine can't be everything to everyone. It just makes the purchasing decision that much tougher. Trust me on this .... personally going through this one.
Thanks! That's what I was trying to say!Quote:
Originally Posted by undercut