everlast 160sth with foot pedal

Here is my full review of the product.

First of all , I bought this welder because it was portable and 110v capacity and now it have been sold and I m looking for another option. So here is my review of this product

positive:
110v/220v
ibgt
smaw/tig
gas solenoid
ready to use ( need argon and consumable tungsten and welding rod)
good quality wip
small size
weigth
run smooth on 7018 and tig
the price if you compare with high end like miller or lincoln
come with a carry case (but it might not be offer later)
atractive look

Negative
gas inlet to long and need use of a collar
ground work tiny
low ocv and unknow, (open circuit voltage) not able to weld 6011 properly ( I m a high pressure and 6011 rod come second as my favorite rod)
pedal reostat to sensitive
sticky a litle bit because of low ocv and unknow???
price high if you compare with other rebadge chinese welder
The website is a piece of crap with bad information or missing information . The less you know , the more they sell ( you have to run trought US website and Canada website and they don t say the same)
duty cycle low compare with miller but good if you compare with other rebadge chinese welder
warranty , In US, it is 5 years but in Canada it is 3 years only. WHY? (raciste lol joke)
They offer a refund of 1 month ( this is a Canadian law) but you have to pay for restocking (ALLO :S :O) and you need the origninal cardboard box
most review on this welder have been made by personne who never have weld in the past so how they know if it is a good welder? It s like a children with is first scooter and say that it goes like a car!!! Yes it carry you to your destination but this is not like a car.
Youtube comparaison vs miller by (welding tips) are a waste of time as they only show you what they can do , not what the can 't do !!!


would I recomand to any personne ???
Yes, as long as they take the time to reed my post to see the negative side and positive side . Overhaul it is a good portable welder , the price is not that bad, it run smooth but Can'T weld 6011 rod. (maybe mine was defective) For the time I use it , I was impress for what it was able to do but deceptive on other aspect . Remember , This is not a Miller quality !!!

Is it a miller killer?
No way !!!this is only a chinese competitor .

Would I buy again from everlast???
Yes , maybe the micro tig 185 ( who have try it with 6011 rod on ac and dc? what was your result?)

Did I was happy with it?
Yes !!!

If everlast crew read this review , you should update your website :cool:


Thank you and I wish you understand that I try to be fair in my review even if you see more negative side in it.


Francis

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Originally Posted by daoust

Here is my full review of the product.

First of all , I bought this welder because it was portable and 110v capacity and now it have been sold and I m looking for another option. So here is my review of this product

positive:
110v/220v
ibgt
smaw/tig
gas solenoid
ready to use ( need argon and consumable tungsten and welding rod)
good quality wip
small size
weigth
run smooth on 7018 and tig
the price if you compare with high end like miller or lincoln
come with a carry case (but it might not be offer later)
atractive look

Negative
gas inlet to long and need use of a collar
ground work tiny
low ocv and unknow, (open circuit voltage) not able to weld 6011 properly ( I m a high pressure and 6011 rod come second as my favorite rod)
pedal reostat to sensitive
sticky a litle bit because of low ocv and unknow???
price high if you compare with other rebadge chinese welder
The website is a piece of crap with bad information or missing information . The less you know , the more they sell ( you have to run trought US website and Canada website and they don t say the same)
duty cycle low compare with miller but good if you compare with other rebadge chinese welder
warranty , In US, it is 5 years but in Canada it is 3 years only. WHY? (raciste lol joke)
They offer a refund of 1 month ( this is a Canadian law) but you have to pay for restocking (ALLO :S :O) and you need the origninal cardboard box
most review on this welder have been made by personne who never have weld in the past so how they know if it is a good welder? It s like a children with is first scooter and say that it goes like a car!!! Yes it carry you to your destination but this is not like a car.
Youtube comparaison vs miller by (welding tips) are a waste of time as they only show you what they can do , not what the can 't do !!!


would I recomand to any personne ???
Yes, as long as they take the time to reed my post to see the negative side and positive side . Overhaul it is a good portable welder , the price is not that bad, it run smooth but Can'T weld 6011 rod. (maybe mine was defective) For the time I use it , I was impress for what it was able to do but deceptive on other aspect . Remember , This is not a Miller quality !!!

Is it a miller killer?
No way !!!this is only a chinese competitor .

Would I buy again from everlast???
Yes , maybe the micro tig 185 ( who have try it with 6011 rod on ac and dc? what was your result?)

Did I was happy with it?
Yes !!!

If everlast crew read this review , you should update your website :cool:


Thank you and I wish you understand that I try to be fair in my review even if you see more negative side in it.


Francis

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New site should be up shortly , If you in Canada then you should of seen new PA200ST model available on there site for past 4 months. Looks like you ordered the wrong welder for your professional needs

question for you .. are you from Québec ?

Personally, I didn't find half of the negative's on your list to be true in my experience with this welder. In my opinion there is nothing wrong with the price, considering anything close to this machine in a Miller or Lincoln (with High freq., a gas solenoid, and a foot pedal) costs well over $1000.00 and doesn't have the 5 year warranty. I don't put Everlast welders in the same rank as the other Chinese welders, as I feel they are in a class all their own.

As for what it can and can't do, I didn't see, read, or hear anything that said I could weld numerous 22 gauge patch panels into my car, or heavy plate together (up to 1" thick) for homemade tooling using this machine (nor would I expect the arc to be smooth and stable enough), but I did both with no problem using the TIG function. I've done the same using the stick function on heavy material as well, and I compare it's performance to the high end welders with few exceptions. Anyone with enough experience welding will know that you can't weld aluminum, magnesium, etc. with it, but it's not terribly limited in what it can't do otherwise. I do think you hit a lot of the positive notes square on the head though, and I have to agree with most of those.

Hopefully your next welder purchase will satisfy you better.:) Good luck shopping!

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Originally Posted by youngnstudly

Personally, I didn't find half of the negative's on your list to be true in my experience with this welder.

I put 12 negatives point about the welder and publicity around it (as you read if you read they are not that bad point but they are negative) . So there must be aroud 6 point that you don t agre! What are they?

As for what it can and can't do, I didn't see, read, or hear anything that said I could weld numerous 22 gauge patch panels into my car, or heavy plate together (up to 1" thick) for homemade tooling using this machine (nor would I expect the arc to be smooth and stable enough), but I did both with no problem using the TIG function. I've done the same using the stick function on heavy material as well, and I compare it's performance to the high end welders with few exceptions. Anyone with enough experience welding will know that you can't weld aluminum, magnesium, etc. with it, but it's not terribly limited in what it can't do otherwise. I do think you hit a lot of the positive notes square on the head though, and I have to agree with most of those.

Hopefully your next welder purchase will satisfy you better.:) Good luck shopping!

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For your information , any welder can weld thick material as long as you preheat the piece before there is no problem.
For aluminium welding , you are wrong there . I have succefuly weld a can coke in dcep mode , you have to take a bigger tungsten than the piece you are welding , keep it close and you can run a beds no probleme , but you need the good tungsten. On a generator machine a thoriated 2/100 are good on the inverter machine , I belive lantanium is the best . You will have alot of cleaning. I forget to take picture to show you but I know you can do it by yourself. On the dcen , you can weld thick alluminium as long as you use alot of helium and a good manual cleaning.

And you say 5 years waranty , this is only in us . In Canada , it is 3 years but this is good anyway

Oleg , yes I m from Quebec! You just sugest me the pa200 , and in the website it say that the I-tig 200 is good for 6011 . Do you recomand this welder for 6011? The micro tig 185 is a ac and dc . Did you try 6011 rod in ac mod? as it was made for the ac box that can t run 6010

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Originally Posted by daoust

For your information , any welder can weld thick material as long as you preheat the piece before there is no problem.
For aluminium welding , you are wrong there . I have succefuly weld a can coke in dcep mode , you have to take a bigger tungsten than the piece you are welding , keep it close and you can run a beds no probleme , but you need the good tungsten. On a generator machine a thoriated 2/100 are good on the inverter machine , I belive lantanium is the best . You will have alot of cleaning. I forget to take picture to show you but I know you can do it by yourself. On the dcen , you can weld thick alluminium as long as you use alot of helium and a good manual cleaning.

And you say 5 years waranty , this is only in us . In Canada , it is 3 years but this is good anyway

Oleg , yes I m from Quebec! You just sugest me the pa200 , and in the website it say that the I-tig 200 is good for 6011 . Do you recomand this welder for 6011? The micro tig 185 is a ac and dc . Did you try 6011 rod in ac mod? as it was made for the ac box that can t run 6010

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I can weld most any of the thick material without using preheat, granted I'm not welding 10' sections of it in solid plate form (but nobody assumed I was anyways!). While you are correct that it IS possible to tig weld in DCEN for aluminum, it certainly isn't standard procedure, and many advise against it or won't even consider doing it. If you thought you were going to be able to spend $500 on this unit and tig weld aluminum all day, achieving the most beautiful beads ever, I can see why you're disappointed in this welder. I can't even get helium in my area, and even if I could, 160 amp DC only machine won't weld the thick castings and projects that I have an interest in welding. It doesn't matter if you preheat to the moon, that welder simply won't weld it!

Isn't a 3 year warranty standard for most other brands of welder, including the big name brands?

Good luck with your next purchase!

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Originally Posted by youngnstudly

I can weld most any of the thick material without using preheat, granted I'm not welding 10' sections of it in solid plate form (but nobody assumed I was anyways!). While you are correct that it IS possible to tig weld in DCEN for aluminum, it certainly isn't standard procedure, and many advise against it or won't even consider doing it. If you thought you were going to be able to spend $500 on this unit and tig weld aluminum all day, achieving the most beautiful beads ever, I can see why you're disappointed in this welder. I can't even get helium in my area, and even if I could, 160 amp DC only machine won't weld the thick castings and projects that I have an interest in welding. It doesn't matter if you preheat to the moon, that welder simply won't weld it!

Isn't a 3 year warranty standard for most other brands of welder, including the big name brands?

Good luck with your next purchase!

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No you are all wrong about that I m disapointed about this welder !!! I like this welder and I say I will recomand this welder ( read my review please) . The fact that I point more negative than positive is because no one talk about them . I never talk about about welding aluminium with it !!! I told you that you can and I have done some with it !


and yes you have to preheat to weld anything past some thickness ( it will vary with the size of the piece) because you can t put enought heat to those pièces and it will cold down to fast ( any welder machine this is physic law)

The aluminium in DCEP (reverse polarity ) need less heat or amps to weld aluminum than ac current, with dc current and a helium ( you need the helium heat to break the aluminize oxyde ) you can do nice thickness . and by the way sometime it is recomanded over ac welding on Thick alluminium. If you like this subject , you can research about heliarc and you can buy some book by Richard Finch that I recomand to everybody and also Professional welder.

Thank you for the interest you put in my review


Performance : You say that all welder have probleme with different kind of 6011 , this is not true . The maxstar 150 rated at 90 ocv can run any kind of 6011 rod . If you have to try different kind of rod to figure out wich one works , I prefer to say that It is not good for 6011 rod . I talk to Duncan about this matter and he told me that it is not recomanded to weld 6011 rod . In my negative point I say that it can t weld 6011 rod properly If you crank amps you will get better results , but this is not the way to do .

I never say that only amateur that bought your welder but I say MOST OF THE REVIEW are made by persone who never weld in the past Please take the time to read!!! ;)

I know how to work my stick out , I m a profesional welder , I do x ray test on the pipeline :)

And the 6011 rod was created later than the 6010 rod because most personne bougth ac boz boxe and they have trouble to weld them , I know it works fine in dc because I use it in dc all the time!


Thank you to inform me that all your welder only weld in dc mode with the smaw

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I think we are seeing that your point here is not to review, but a rather arrogant try at making some obtuse points, many of which are based on lack of knowledge...even in the face of other customer's opposite opinion. Just because you do X ray tests on a pipeline, doesn't mean that you know anything about welding in general. Even a kid in high school can be taught how to do that. I know a lot of guys like this, except they will admit they don't know everything. One, is the fact that many welding machine struggle with some rods while they excel with others. This is common knowledge among experienced welders. I have a Lincoln SA 200...There are some rods, that it welds well with and some it doesn't. Doesn't mean its' an issue with the welder, but more it's the way the welder is engineered. Any welder that has used the SA 200's through their different stages of evolution will tell you that certain brand rods worked better in this XX year models than in YY year model.

Another point to prove that you have made errant statements, is the fact that our OCV isn't unknown. It's printed on the side of your welder! It's not that low. Depending upon input it's 70-80. If you are running on a generator, that's not producing clean power, then yes, it could be an issue. OCV doesn't necessarily mean anything with arc starting, if the unit is equipped with a hot start feature, which the 160sth's have. Officially the units are 70-80 Volts. Which anything over 80 volts can't be used on some job sites due to safety concerns...which the Maxstar cannot unless it's fitted with a VRD.

70-80 volts are standard in the industry, and not that low.

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Originally Posted by daoust

No you are all wrong about that I m disapointed about this welder !!! I like this welder and I say I will recomand this welder ( read my review please) . The fact that I point more negative than positive is because no one talk about them . I never talk about about welding aluminium with it !!! I told you that you can and I have done some with it !


and yes you have to preheat to weld anything past some thickness ( it will vary with the size of the piece) because you can t put enought heat to those pièces and it will cold down to fast ( any welder machine this is physic law)

The aluminium in DCEP (reverse polarity ) need less heat or amps to weld aluminum than ac current, with dc current and a helium ( you need the helium heat to break the aluminize oxyde ) you can do nice thickness . and by the way sometime it is recomanded over ac welding on Thick alluminium. If you like this subject , you can research about heliarc and you can buy some book by Richard Finch that I recomand to everybody and also Professional welder.

Thank you for the interest you put in my review


Performance : You say that all welder have probleme with different kind of 6011 , this is not true . The maxstar 150 rated at 90 ocv can run any kind of 6011 rod . If you have to try different kind of rod to figure out wich one works , I prefer to say that It is not good for 6011 rod . I talk to Duncan about this matter and he told me that it is not recomanded to weld 6011 rod . In my negative point I say that it can t weld 6011 rod properly If you crank amps you will get better results , but this is not the way to do .

I never say that only amateur that bought your welder but I say MOST OF THE REVIEW are made by persone who never weld in the past Please take the time to read!!! ;)

I know how to work my stick out , I m a profesional welder , I do x ray test on the pipeline :)

And the 6011 rod was created later than the 6010 rod because most personne bougth ac boz boxe and they have trouble to weld them , I know it works fine in dc because I use it in dc all the time!


Thank you to inform me that all your welder only weld in dc mode with the smaw

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daoust

once again .. you got the wrong model. you should of pay little more and get PowerArc 200ST.

It sounds to me like poor translation makes this come off a lot more arrogant than intended. He does like the welder, it's just not the right machine suited to his work. I will agree that the website needs work, and that you have to come to the forum to get a lot of questions answered, that should probably be on the website. Looking forward to the new site. I hope there is a good content management system, so that the principals can make direct changes, instead of having to always pass info through a third party.

BTW the 160STH meets or exceeds the Maxstar 150 in duty cycle. Both are on the low side as they are geared to the hobby/light industrial market.

new site should be up and running with in 30days !

I don't know what to say or think. The first post daoust made on the forums was on 8-28-13 and now he's already saying that he sold the welder and is looking for something different. That left me with the impression that he was unhappy with it. After all, it hasn't even been a week.

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I put 12 negatives point about the welder and publicity around it (as you read if you read they are not that bad point but they are negative) . So there must be aroud 6 point that you don t agre! What are they?

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As for the negative points that I agree with you on daoust, I actually only found 2 that I agreed with you on (I didn't expect you to request an actual number, but there it is....2!:)). The foot pedal can be a little sensitive at times, and the website could use some improvement as well. I think Oleg, Mark, Mike, and everyone at Everlast who are involved with the website have been planning an upgrade for quite some time, and I'm sure they have received plenty of feedback about the website. This isn't the first time someone has complained about missing or incomplete information on the forum (in regards to the website). I've just always sent an email or made a phone call when I find missing or inconsistent info on any internet website. It gives you the whole story straight from the horse's mouth...so to speak. ;)

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It sounds to me like poor translation makes this come off a lot more arrogant than intended.

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You could certainly have a valid point here, but some of his post responses did come off a bit hostile. I didn't mean to stir things up with any of my responses, I just didn't see his review to match my experiences with this machine, and I know I've put this welder through it's "paces" with little to no issues to date.

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BTW the 160STH meets or exceeds the Maxstar 150 in duty cycle. Both are on the low side as they are geared to the hobby/light industrial market.

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I seem to recall this very thing while I was comparing the Miller and the Everlast portable tig welders (before my 160STH purchase). It really does rate well once you begin crunching numbers and doing the side by side comparison. And the price is nearly 1/3 of the Miller unit. :O:)

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new site should be up and running with in 30days !

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Woo-hoo! I look forward to the new site...I don't have much in life that excites me anymore...except for website updates and the new mail lady that works at the post office.:O:P

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It sounds to me like poor translation makes this come off a lot more arrogant than intended. He does like the welder, it's just not the right machine suited to his work. I will agree that the website needs work, and that you have to come to the forum to get a lot of questions answered, that should probably be on the website. Looking forward to the new site. I hope there is a good content management system, so that the principals can make direct changes, instead of having to always pass info through a third party.

BTW the 160STH meets or exceeds the Maxstar 150 in duty cycle. Both are on the low side as they are geared to the hobby/light industrial market.

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You make a good point here

I like this welder and I always say that I like it. I sold it because it run so great that I decide to upgrade to a higher everlast welder (the ac/dc 185)

I did not try to be arrogant all when I say I do xray job, it was to explain that I know how to work with the stick out . I never say that I m the beat welder and I apologize is it soud so. My main focus was to give my oppinion on the welder, if people don t agree, there is alot of space on the forum to tell your story. I know how work a forum and the basic is taking time to read every post before making a reply. I have seen some lack of reading and I ask to read again and I never try to offence other when I told them to read , but on the other hand there reponce to my posy sound more like confontation. My negative point are not that bad !!! I you make a dinner to a cooking chief, don t expect to only positive note. And please people, don t belive that I m consider me a the top welder. I m a welder for only 14 - 15 years. Has I hear now is that the website will be updated, and when I say that you don t see the ocv , I was speaking about the website.

On a side note, without negative point , there is no way you can improve. Now in 1 month there is a chance that 1 of my negative note will be fix with the new website and later , they may be improve the reostat , and the hability to weld celulosic rod like the pa200st. That is improvement that is possible because we make negative statement about something.

If you get a hard time to read my post , please apologize me because english is not my first language.

Thank to Oleg and Rambozo to take the time to read all.

I sent a note over to Duncan. He confirmed that he never said the unit would not weld 6011. He said it was not specifically designed to weld 6010... and he said he never said it would not weld 6011.
The PA 200 and the PA 300 will both handle 6010 or 6011 without an issue. HOWEVER, the units do like a shorter arc while welding 6010. They are designed to shut down the arc, if a long arc causes a voltage to exceed a preset limit. This keeps amperage draw down and also forces correct welding technique. They will hold a tolerably long arc, but not as long as a transformer...which has no intelligent way to shut down the output.

I will tell you one thing that makes or breaks the welding ability of these units: The work clamp connection. If it isn't right, the units won't weld right.

The 185 isn't a higher welder as far as stick....Stick capability is lower than the 160sth. It's an entry level AC/DC TIG.

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I sent a note over to Duncan. He confirmed that he never said the unit would not weld 6011. He said it was not specifically designed to weld 6010... and he said he never said it would not weld 6011.
The PA 200 and the PA 300 will both handle 6010 or 6011 without an issue. HOWEVER, the units do like a shorter arc while welding 6010. They are designed to shut down the arc, if a long arc causes a voltage to exceed a preset limit. This keeps amperage draw down and also forces correct welding technique. They will hold a tolerably long arc, but not as long as a transformer...which has no intelligent way to shut down the output.

I will tell you one thing that makes or breaks the welding ability of these units: The work clamp connection. If it isn't right, the units won't weld right.

The 185 isn't a higher welder as far as stick....Stick capability is lower than the 160sth. It's an entry level AC/DC TIG.

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Yes I contact him after I bougth this welder and he sugest me the pa200st for celulosic rod , he never told me that the welder can t weld the 6011 but the pa200st is better for cellulosic rod. This as been said I bougth the 160sth for the hability of the tig with high frequency not for welding the 6011 or 6010 rod that s why I did not go with the pa200st. The best for me is 2 welder but I wish that 1 was good enought.

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Yes I contact him after I bougth this welder and he sugest me the pa200st for celulosic rod , he never told me that the welder can t weld the 6011 but the pa200st is better for cellulosic rod. This as been said I bougth the 160sth for the hability of the tig with high frequency not for welding the 6011 or 6010 rod that s why I did not go with the pa200st. The best for me is 2 welder but I wish that 1 was good enought.

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So, did you try 6011 and what brand? There are TWO cellulosic rods that are common. 6010, and 6011. 6011 has arc stabilizers in the flux, and it makes it fairly easy to run compared to 6010. It will run 1 of the 2. Apparently you have had some misunderstanding about it.

Now, you are saying that the unit won't run 6011, and that is a major criticism, yet you didn't buy it for that? I really don't understand the motive for that statement...

The 200ST is lift start tig...not HF. The PowerTIG 185 is designed primarily as a TIG, with a secondary stick function. It will have a good bit less stick output, somewhere around 135 amps or so if I remember right...but it is really great with TIG for a beginner. It would compare in feature to Miller Diversion 180...but better duty cycle and more compact.

As a point of correcting misinformation that may slipped by: Miller's primary sources of components and sub assemblies is CHINA. They do not say made in America on them anymore. They say assembled in America. I've welded with many Millers and other welders. The Everlast units do compare favorably, not only in features, but in weld capability, and in general quality in this product range. The basic maxstar doesn't even have a amp display, so there is NO way to judge HOW high your amps are! This is a major flaw in your argument about turning up amps... With Miller, you have no idea what they truly are unless you are using a clamp meter.
..which is likely purposeful on their part.

Another point: You say they are priced high compared to "other rebadged chinese welders". You couldn't be further from the truth on this. Have you looked at the Thermal Arc 160STH? They truly are rebaged welders and are even much higher than us! AND you are comparing prices to cheap, disposable Mosfet units which do not last, not IGBT WITHOUT a MULTI national company backing service and warranty...

We actually developed this unit in house with the factory. The factory did not produce this exact unit and we started working on some design features specifically for our market. Same thing with the PowerTIG 185 and many other models in our lineup. I would recommend that you compare apples to apples, and not mix up your information and facts when making negative remarks.

Sure, somethings are worthy of saying, if they are true, and you are not creating a double standard when you compare in one sentence the unit negatively to a Miller priced 3x's as much, and in the other make an unfair comment, by commenting negatively about a "short coming" of the unit when the Miller unit you are talking about doesn't even have that feature, or has the EXACT same short coming...ie cheap work clamp.

Your use of the word "rebadged" makes you loose your credibility with people who truly follow, and know our company, our product, and our history. I would at least reconsider that remark if I were in your shoes trying to have credibility on a forum with fellow Everlast owners.