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    Default Rods to have on hand... which ones?

    So I'm stocking up, as most things coming my way won't be obvious till they get here, and LWS are closed weekends (my shop-time).

    So the 200DX doesn't like E6010, how about 6011, 6013, 7014, 7018? I love 7018, but unless I can find a decent oven that won't spin my utility meter, having any quantity on hand is out for a while (working on a low vacuum storage device, may be a future posted project, pull vacuum and seal, or vacuum then argon fill)

    What would you have on hand? 1/16, 3/32, 1/8 in one or all three, any others?

    I'm stocking up on TIG supplies too, 1/16, 3/32 ER70S2 on hand, as well as 023 and 030 ER70S6 MIG wire (brand name), picking up some 4043 and 5356 in those same sizes this week. Stainless, silicon bronze, aluminum bronze, etc. will have to wait for another paycheck or two.

    And remember, I'm not a noob, just rusty. It's been a few years since I was in the USN, and what I did there was strictly regulated, so there wasn't an 'on hand' supply for fixing mowers, trailers, car parts, etc. to figure out.
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    I can't speak on the stick part but you may want to add 308 and 309 stainless filler for tig.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zoama585 View Post
    I can't speak on the stick part but you may want to add 308 and 309 stainless filler for tig.
    Yup, actually 308, 309, and 316 (most of my stainless work is medical grade product in 316l). Those cost more than I have on hand and I need to knock some rust off my TIG skills before jumping in there.
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    I keep a pile of stuff on hand, but the basics I'd say are 6011's for general repair and tacking, 6013's or 7014's for sheetmetal and thinner stuff, I use 308SS rods for disimilar or unknown ferrous metals, your higher end (316's)SS rods work fine too but the 308's are fairly inexpensive. Put "maintainance rod' on the label and prices goes up at least 3x. S/F.....Ken M
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    Been a while since I used stick but for general use I have 6013. 1/8" or 3/16"

    Just a heads up unless you are using a lot of rod I bought a few of these plastic canisters. They are larger than a can of tennis balls. Red plastic and have a screw top with a rubber gasket. I toss in a pack of desiccant that I got when I got something in the mail and they have been good for many many years. I bet they hold 5lbs or so. I picked them up at the welding store. I use 2 for the stick rods (2 different kinds) and one for brazing rods. You can even write on the outside of them with a marker.

    I know you are hearing a lot of talk about reconditioning rods, but if they are sealed or not getting them used from some old timer you shouldn't have a problem. Yea you can get a better deal buying a 100lbs at a time but are you going to use that much??? Unless you keep them in the rain or doing mil spec stuff rods should be good for several years at least. More if you store them in the containers like I mentioned.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian Ski View Post
    Been a while since I used stick but for general use I have 6013. 1/8" or 3/16"

    Just a heads up unless you are using a lot of rod I bought a few of these plastic canisters. They are larger than a can of tennis balls. Red plastic and have a screw top with a rubber gasket. I toss in a pack of desiccant that I got when I got something in the mail and they have been good for many many years. I bet they hold 5lbs or so. I picked them up at the welding store. I use 2 for the stick rods (2 different kinds) and one for brazing rods. You can even write on the outside of them with a marker.

    I know you are hearing a lot of talk about reconditioning rods, but if they are sealed or not getting them used from some old timer you shouldn't have a problem. Yea you can get a better deal buying a 100lbs at a time but are you going to use that much??? Unless you keep them in the rain or doing mil spec stuff rods should be good for several years at least. More if you store them in the containers like I mentioned.
    Being in FL, with the humidity and constant rain, 7018's would be a headache. I'm only talking a few to 10lbs of each on hand. Those dessicant packs, well, they're as thirsty or less thirsty than the flux coating on rods that are affected. Like trying to dry carpet with a towel, at a certain point, you'll hit an even mix, probably not as low as you want.

    May not be doing mil-spec work, but that's where I learned (USN HT) and I'm a bit of perfectionist. I'm looking to avoid the re-conditioning, I'd rather store proper to begin with, or as close to it as possible without an oven.
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    Try 7018ac they are not affected by moisture the same as regular 7018.
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    3/32 & 1/8 7018ac, 7014, because I use it the most. I have some 5/32 rods. 6011 and 6013 I keep some of those.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trip59 View Post
    Being in FL, with the humidity and constant rain, 7018's would be a headache. I'm only talking a few to 10lbs of each on hand. Those dessicant packs, well, they're as thirsty or less thirsty than the flux coating on rods that are affected. Like trying to dry carpet with a towel, at a certain point, you'll hit an even mix, probably not as low as you want.

    May not be doing mil-spec work, but that's where I learned (USN HT) and I'm a bit of perfectionist. I'm looking to avoid the re-conditioning, I'd rather store proper to begin with, or as close to it as possible without an oven.
    Yea I am the humid zone here... Midwest. Even the tools in the garage can get a coat or rust. That is why I like those rod holders... Try this link. I am not endorsing these guys. This is just a quick link I found. Mine are very close to this but red.

    http://www.weldingsuppliesfromioc.co...ECTRODE/Detail

    I think this is the best way to store. I usually open it up take a couple rods out and reseal. I also pitch or keep on the bench the used rods.
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    I couldn't help but look at harbor freight for those rod storage containers. Seems pretty cheap at $4.99. Maybe not built as stout, but has a gasket. I've never used them, but if I can get in the store I will check them out. http://www.harborfreight.com/welding...per-46477.html

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    This has been asked many times before.

    6010 is not really a rod you will use a lot and the unit will do it if you can do it. More of a you thing...

    6011, 6013 and 7018 are probably all you need. On SS 308 (I use 316) but it all works well.. Then get the diameter based on the metal thickness.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KSmith View Post
    I couldn't help but look at harbor freight for those rod storage
    I have a couple of these, and they are fine as long as you thread the top on squarely. Northern has an identical one, but the want like $15 for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trip59 View Post
    So I'm stocking up, as most things coming my way won't be obvious till they get here, and LWS are closed weekends (my shop-time).

    So the 200DX doesn't like E6010, how about 6011, 6013, 7014, 7018? I love 7018, but unless I can find a decent oven that won't spin my utility meter, having any quantity on hand is out for a while (working on a low vacuum storage device, may be a future posted project, pull vacuum and seal, or vacuum then argon fill)

    What would you have on hand? 1/16, 3/32, 1/8 in one or all three, any others?

    I'm stocking up on TIG supplies too, 1/16, 3/32 ER70S2 on hand, as well as 023 and 030 ER70S6 MIG wire (brand name), picking up some 4043 and 5356 in those same sizes this week. Stainless, silicon bronze, aluminum bronze, etc. will have to wait for another paycheck or two.

    And remember, I'm not a noob, just rusty. It's been a few years since I was in the USN, and what I did there was strictly regulated, so there wasn't an 'on hand' supply for fixing mowers, trailers, car parts, etc. to figure out.
    Ive read that 6010 is a bust as well although I've used a lot of it with my old Miller dinosaur Thunderbolt ... I have always liked 6011 and 6013 and already have some in stock 7018 is good if its fresh. Since I bought my 200DX mostly for the AC TIG portion Im going to stock up on 308, 316 and aluminum mainly I have a couple years worth of DC TIG experience but AC is my latest challenge so as far as that goes I guess I am a NOOB but not when it comes to welding in general been doing it for about a decade started with a stick welder and old school helmet you know blind strike, I thought Id died and gone to heaven first time I used an auto darken. Main thing my friend, I hope we both enjoy our new 200DXs as much as I think we will.
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    Quote Originally Posted by posixPilot View Post
    I have a couple of these, and they are fine as long as you thread the top on squarely. Northern has an identical one, but the want like $15 for it.
    You know, I keep seeing those, look at them for a bit and keep walking because I don't know if they are any good and figure that surely I have something at home that would do. Nice to hear from someone who's used them because I still haven't found anything at home that would do better and need to buy some rods soon.

    Just read the reviews on this rod holder. One person says they only hold 5 pounds of rods. I thought they were bigger than that(?)

    Thanks for feedback on this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by undercut View Post
    You know, I keep seeing those, look at them for a bit and keep walking because I don't know if they are any good and figure that surely I have something at home that would do. Nice to hear from someone who's used them because I still haven't found anything at home that would do better and need to buy some rods soon.

    Just read the reviews on this rod holder. One person says they only hold 5 pounds of rods. I thought they were bigger than that(?)

    Thanks for feedback on this.
    I bought a bunch here www.atlweldingsupply.com/ could not find the link. But they were $5 at the time, not sure if a sale. Like Winky said thread them straight, also snug so the o-ring seals. I have a small rod over that doubles as a small power cost oven, handy there too.
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    Most of my Lincoln rods come in the fairly tight pringles type cans, which I save and use for other rods. I do use the plastic type containers for TIG filler, which comes from my LWS in bulk, unpackaged unless you buy 50lbs at a time. S/F......Ken M
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    Quote Originally Posted by undercut View Post
    Just read the reviews on this rod holder. One person says they only hold 5 pounds of rods. I thought they were bigger than that.
    I would say that is probably true, but it also depends on the size of rod ... 10# of 1/8" rod consumes more volume than 10# of 1/16" rod. I usually buy the Hobart 5# rod, since that is what Northern carries, and they come in these tight sealing plastic cases. I use the rod holder for anything that comes in cardboard like those cheap 1# Forney rods.

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    Thanks everyone for their input. I also noticed the Harbor Freight variety is on a modest sale at the moment. Will check out next week!
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    Quote Originally Posted by undercut View Post
    You know, I keep seeing those, look at them for a bit and keep walking because I don't know if they are any good and figure that surely I have something at home that would do. Nice to hear from someone who's used them because I still haven't found anything at home that would do better and need to buy some rods soon.

    Just read the reviews on this rod holder. One person says they only hold 5 pounds of rods. I thought they were bigger than that(?)

    Thanks for feedback on this.
    The ones I got were from the LWS they were very heavy duty. Maybe a 3" id. I would have to measure. Sure don't have a belt clip on them. I would think they would be pretty heavy for that. They seal great and the lids screw on really well. I don't think you could cross thread them if you tried.
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    FWIW, the Lincoln 7018 that Home Depot sells held up really well for several years and I didn't take care of it at all. It is probably the AC variety (don't have the box anymore) and I do live in dry country, so YMMV.

    A couple pounds of hardfacing rod is quite handy to have on hand too, just in case you need to slap a wear surface on something.
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    Quote Originally Posted by redbeard View Post
    FWIW, the Lincoln 7018 that Home Depot sells held up really well for several years and I didn't take care of it at all. It is probably the AC variety (don't have the box anymore) and I do live in dry country, so YMMV.

    A couple pounds of hardfacing rod is quite handy to have on hand too, just in case you need to slap a wear surface on something.
    7018/6011 1/8th or 3/32 whichever you prefer. get off of the lo hi degradation from moisture rant. it's not about to make any difference to anyone here. i've used stuff, as recently as this week that was several years old without issue and no, it was not AC rod.

    pick up five pounds and keep it in the mfg's container. that's what i keep on the truck. my lincoln rods come in rectangular plastic containers.

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